Thursday, March 25, 2010

Mailbag, Thursday, March 25, 2010 - plus, gosh-darn-it, some actual content!

Hi Everyone,

The new content posting has been pretty quiet around here as I seem to be one of the only people updating the blog these days, what with Tom and Seth busy writing and all, and I have been distracted myself -- with writing, teaching, editing, etc. Never fear. I'll continue to throw up new mailbags, and though the blog tends to quiet down over the summer, there will be semi-regular new posts with relevant MFA related content, so be sure to check back, no matter your status heading into the fall.

For now I have a grab-bag of links for you, and some questions I want to throw out there, and a few thoughts.

The eminently sane Vince Gotera (whose personal statement advice has already proved helpful to many an MFA applicant) has advice about how to handle acceptances, rejections, and (maybe most importantly) waitlists. Sure, this is from 2006, but I think it still stands.

Gotera suggests that if you end up with rejections, you should try and figure out why. The new incarnation of ALC, known as Driftless House (and which seems to be ALC minus Seth) is offering a service to help you do just that. You give them ten pages of fiction, or five of poetry, plus your list of schools, plus $90, and in return you'll get "in-line notes and an evaluation letter." That's nine or eighteen bucks a page! Just sayin'. (I work for less than that, if you are interested...)

This brings me to some questions: If you didn't get accepted, will you be reapplying next year? And what, if anything, do you think you gained from going through the process this time around?

For what it's worth, I always tell my MFA application students and clients that they should think of an MFA as a five or six year process: one or two years to apply, two or three years in the program, and a year to adjust afterward. And that's a minimum, in my opinion.

Also for what it's worth: last year I worked with someone going through her fourth year of applications. She'd been waitlisted before, but never had any full offers. After polishing up her stories and statements she went at it again and was accepted, in fiction, at multiple top schools, including Hollins, Brooklyn, and UNCW [Updated - it was actually UNCG, my mistake.] I can't take much credit on that one -- she did so well because she didn't give up, and used the time in between applications to workshop, hone her craft, and improve her stories. By the time I met her she was already in good shape and just needed guidance on statements and some final developmental feedback. But it goes to show that tenacity pays, both for MFA applications and in your future writing lives. Sometimes the ones who make it are the ones who don't give up.

***end pep talk***

More links: many MFA programs have really terrible websites -- any applicant knows this. But how many have blogs? NMSU does, but I'm not sure of any others. Can we crowdsource this one? Post your links to official (or, I guess, unofficial) MFA blogs in the comments.

Current NMSU student Carrie Murphy also emailed me to let me know about her blog, Master of Fine Eats. "Thought this might be of interest to the MFA blog readers," she wrote, "many of whom are already (if not about to be) poor graduate students."

Last thought: one commentator was lamenting over what to tell your recommenders if you don't have the outcome you were looking for. I say (as a fairly prolific recommendation writer myself) just tell them straight. They won't hold it against you one little bit, and most will be happy to get an update, no matter the results. I sometimes don't hear anything from the people I write recs for -- and I always wish I did.

For all this post's focus on possible less-than-desirable results, the acceptance season is not yet over, and there are still more happy "yay, I've been accepted" comments to come. So don't give up the good fight yet, people!

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Alum said...
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Woon said...

@Alum - start emailing your schools.

red said...

@ Chelsea - congrats!! Was this a mailed letter?

Chelsea said...

@red

Yes, mailed letter. Dated 3/19. Mailed 3/25. Arrived 3/29.

Makes me think they might've been using the Pony Express, ha.

kaybay said...

Summer - PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE with cherries ON TOP, ask around for news on FSU's wait lists/rejections!! I will love you forever :D I'm only waiting for official word from UNCG and UF (neither of which I am holding my breath for an acceptance or even wait list) and that darn FSU that I want to hear soooooooo badly from!!! I would likely accept on the spot if I was accepted :( I just want to hear from them, anything. I check that stupid online status page so frequently and with such optimism and I have nothing to show for it >:|

red said...

@ Chelsea

It's funny how even the same program notifies 3 different ways! Congrats again!

firstpencil said...

@lipsha

i'm accepted cnf at gmu, and i visited on thursday and friday like you did. i'm sorry we didn't have a chance to meet. interested to hear your impressions, and to share mine. want to talk offline? if you're comfortable posting your email, i can write you.

Aurora Bee said...

Crap! Does anyone have advice for me?

Which is the wiser fiction program to accept: Completely funded BU program, or just partially funded NYU program?!

I sooo appreciate any advice and help! Thanks.

Chelsea said...

@red

Thanks for the kinds words!

So crazy about their notifications. I'm still kinda scratching my head about that one..but thrilled, nonetheless!

GL with the rest of your applications!

Trokee said...

Mau Mau-

When did you hear from BU?

Personally, I'd go for the funding or nothing at all. Although BU is only one year which scares the bejesus out of me.

Michelle J said...

@pdg and lake

I also applied to GSU and I haven't heard anything. When did you submit? I added them pretty late in the game and barely made the deadline. I was wondering if that's why i still haven't heard back or if they just take their time with all apps. Hopefully we will get some news this week. I say we rock, paper, scissor for one of us to call. Ha ha

Lucas said...

@Woon and anyone else in his situation,

Teaching comp is very intuitive. And many comp teachers didn't take it, as many schools allow students with high ACT/SAT scores to opt out (a mistake, in a way, as a good comp instructor can work on nuances of writing with an advanced student...but I digress). Brush up on MLA. You'll do well.

I've also had at least a bazillion grad lit classes (I have an MA), and a skilfull writer that likes to read need not worry about those, either. I had low grades (played guitar and skipped class) as undergrad and I got into my MA program via my writing samples. Still, I had no problem keeping a 4.0. Plenty of work, but no biggie. I was challenged but always felt comfortable that I could hang. And they are usually fun (more than you would think).

Zoulou said...

@Chelsea - excellent news, congratulations! :) Is that your destination for fall 2010? Exciting!!

@Mau Mau - well, for what it's worth... if I were in your shoes, I think I'd try to find out if you can do ANOTHER mfa after BU. I mean, what if a year is too short, and you need more? Can you do another round of applications? If the answer was sure, no sweat, then I think I'd take up BU on their offer and enjoy the sweet funding - while starting applications that year. That's just me though. Don't know if that helps... congrats on your double (and double-funded!) acceptance, btw!

Lucas said...

@Zoulou

Email me at lucascflatt (at) gmail with any questions or concerns about teaching comp. I have ten classes under my belt and I know what there is to know, more or less.

Chelsea said...

@Zoulou

I wanna play hard to get real bad. I do. I know their funding is sub par as of right now. Which depresses me. But UNCG is my top choice. The faculty and the poets coming out of the program give me butterflies. So. I guess I gotta determine how good/bad my acting skills are because--gun to my head--I'd leave tomorrow to attend, haha.

Thanks for the well wishes!

ceruleanblue said...

I have declined my acceptances aside from UF and Iowa wait list... Dying to get a final word from Virginia, so I can make a final choice. Just got my official letter from UF in the mail today (was accepted by phone a few weeks ago).

Zoulou said...

@Lucas - sweet, thanks so much. I will probably take you up on that. This just seems pretty scary - thanks for offering to help out!

ceruleanblue said...

ps congrats to all the recent acceptances! I haven't posted for a while, but I've been following. So great!

Woon said...

@Lucas - thanks for the assurance. I'm actually not worried. I think it'll be a lot of fun. The only thing I worry about is whether I'll find a good place to live and how far I'll have to go to get my laundry done.

CourtneyElizabeth said...

@Seth

Do you have any thoughts about Columbia College in Chicago?

Kendra said...

@ Nadiya - so psyched for you! I'll look forward to your email. :-)

@ all - I wrote several long, detailed emails to Nadiya about my Michigan visit. If anyone has questions about my impressions or gets in off the waitlist (Summer, I'm looking at you!) feel free to email me at kendra (dot) shaw (at) gmail.com - I would be more than happy to share.

MommyJ said...

I guess I'm still in the running for the creative writing phd program at SUNY Albany ... over at the grad cafe a waitlist and a rejection have been posted for the program. The rejection was today, which sent me over to suny's site to check my status. Still says applicant. Keeping fingers crossed.

One of my college students asked today whether I'd be teaching in the fall and I said no, I'd be taking 2 or 3 classes myself. She was quite crestfallen, which was a boost to my ego ... Nice on a hellish day. I had one (high school) student sent to the er after I sent him to the clinic because he felt like there was something in his ear. He came to borrow my pencil so he could dig it out! Turns out there was something in his ear... the little foam thingy from his earbud.

Then another of my students is suspended because he gouged up a friend's arm with a staple. The injured boy sat there and didn't say anything while it was happening and the teacher didn't notice. Fortunately, when I saw his bleeding arms the next period, he told me what happened.

Some days, my day job makes me want to cry.

Woon said...

re. campus worries

I'm also wondering if I should get the school's meal plan or shop/cook myself. I really really don't want to waste a lot of time shopping/cooking, but I also don't want to hobnob with the lowly undergrads in the campus dining facilities. And what if the food quality is low?

nattyish said...

@Lipsha

I had a question for you about one of your many, admirable acceptances. Shoot me a message at nattyish at gmail if you see this.

Thanks much! And darn this message-board and its lack of a PM feature.

Andrea said...

@ Woon/Zoulou/whomever

I guess my confusion is just based on my own experiences/the experiences of friends who also went to state universities. At my school, two semesters of freshman comp were required. If you got a 4 or 5 on the English AP test, you could opt to take one semester of an accelerated honors English comp. I got a 4, but chose to take two semesters of regular honors comp (the accelerated class was INTENSE). I lucked out with an amazing teacher and really loved both semesters. I'm actually incredibly excited to teach comp, which I'm sure sounds strange to a lot of people.

I guess I'd just never heard of comp not being a requirement- but I'm of course not knocking it! I think it will be cool for you guys because you won't have any preconceived notions or your own experiences to color your teaching style or ideas about how things should be done. You can start fresh, so to speak. I think it will be challenging and fun for all of us, no matter how many English classes we have/haven't taken.

nattyish said...

@Woon

You mean you won't be running to Boston Market every day anymore? What gives?

Andrea said...

Mommy J, continued good luck on the PhD program. Your stories about your high school job always speak to me- last year I worked at an alternative secondary school for at-risk youth, many of whom have emotional-behavioral disorders. One day in the middle school, a boy who was out on bail after burning down a mall (no, I'm not exaggerating) calmly walked over to sharpen his pencil and then proceeded to stab a girl in the leg with the pencil. She went to the ER and he was arrested. I feel you on the some-days-I-want-to-cry stuff. Just wanted to commiserate.

M.B. Wells said...

re: freshman comp

I didn't have to take it; I tested out via my SAT verbal score. I did have to take a freshman seminar, though.

Adam Atkinson said...

Just got my very first taste of semi-March-radness today: waitlist (for poetry) at LSU! Huzzah!

Sure, the chances are slim, but hey, the letter was extremely complimentary, and it's nicer than rejection across the board! I'll take it!

Woon said...

re. freshmen comp, English Lit

I'm sure the rest of the student body at my undergrad had to take freshmen comp. I did not because I was in the College of Engineering. For us gearheads, composition was not required, as it was more important that we build robots and flying saucers. However, I took a Technical Writing class in my sophomore year (I think?). But Technical Writing isn't REALLY writing. My first homework for that class was to do my resume, which I subsequently used to secure my first job.

At my undergrad, we used to make fun of liberal arts majors because they were "easy." Half a century later, I'm now returning to school studying artsy-fartsy stuff, which is essentially something beneath liberal arts. LOL!

Chelsea said...

@Adam

Waitlist is something to celebrate. Well done!! Even better that it was a sincere letter, too.

Lucas said...

Woon,

I didn't figure you were worried, but I thought some younger folks could be. I was before starting my TAship for the MA. And for no reason, it turned out. Teaching was the best part of earning that degree.

Summer said...

@Kaybay - you are fiction, correct? Just making sure. In any case, I'll send Winegardner an email and see what's going on.

@Peaquah - I'll drop you a line about Michigan. Might as well get my hopes up.

Woon said...

@Nathaniel - I probably won't take my car. I took my car to law school and it was a hassle. I never drove anywhere. And when I wanted to drive somewhere, it always failed to start or had engine trouble, because as you know, if you have a car, you have to drive it to keep it tip-top. It's like the human body: if you lead a sedentary life, your body will go to sh*t.

Three of my potential schools are in small towns that offer free public bus access for its college students. I plan to make good use of it. Plus walking. Walking makes my heart pump vigorously and I get a lot of good story ideas this way.

Amanda said...

@firstpencil

sure. Shoot me an email at lipshamorrissey AT gmail.

thanks,

Woon said...

@lipsha - Hey, isn't lipsha morrissey a character in Louise Erdrich's "Love Medicine"?

kaybay said...

Summer - yes, I am fiction

Woon - where have you been accepted so far?

Ananda said...

Hey All -- Haven't had time to catch up with all the comments yet so this might be repeated info, but I just got my (fiction, email, mass-generated) rejection from University of Washington. It came from the Dean of graduate admissions and contained this weird sentence:

"Unfortunately, the committee has decided not to recommend your admission and I concur with this decision."

I'm sure my GREs, LORs, and transcripts were not a problem (just my writing obviously), but how kind of him to inform me that he agrees that I suck.

Woon said...

@Ananda - ROFL!

Lake said...

@Michelle J

Most of my app materials were in by early January, but one of my transcripts didn't make it until early Feb. It seems like no one has heard though.

I e-mailed the director earlier today and I'll post if I hear anything back.

If you're up for calling, though...

Ali Haider said...

Was wondering if anyone recently had heard anything from Texas State on funding or IAships? I called a week ago and found out that I was on the waitlist (high up they said), but got not timeline from them on when I could hear anything official. People traveling in the same boat as me, speak up! :)

Seth Abramson said...

@lookylookyyonder
@courtney

Didn't want you guys to think your comments hadn't been seen -- I just have to limit my online consulting work each day to focus on a) the many other things I do (like schoolwork, writing, &c), and b) paid consulting work (which helps keep me afloat financially -- barely). So unfortunately I don't have time to answer every question, I just do the best I can! I get a lot of private queries, too -- much more off-line queries, actually, than on-blog -- so there's that, too. Best,

S.

Constance Culver said...

Who was it that said they went to Miami for undergrad? Was it Dee? I would love to e-mail you some questions if I could...

Chelsea said...

Anyone who's going and/or heavily considering UNCG this fall wanna chat some??

Animalist said...

I've been following for awhile but haven't posted on account of this kind of cyber intimacy's being a tad nauseous to me.

I just have to chime in on this James Franco discussion, because I think he's a really great actor, takes interesting risks other "serious" actors wouldn't (ie soap opera, or publishing fiction he must know will be read with a snide little smirk), and throws a winning smile. Sure, the Esquire story didn't make me feel any more alive, but it seemed to grow from an honest origin, and Franco's definitely helping the print industry.

He published a few months back in McSweeneys' "Panorama." I wonder if people saw that.

Anonymous said...

@Ashley Brooke,
I'm sorry to hear about TSU's news. If you do choose to attend anyway, best of luck to you in the program and keep me posted this fall. I'd love to hear how it ends up.

SeeMoreGlass said...

hey everyone - it is so great to hear about all your acceptances!
i have a quick question, kind of in line with mau mau's - a hypothetical situation. i know the decision is ultimately a personal one with a million factors and variables, but i am just curious...in, say, an isolated MFA chamber, which program would you choose, assuming full funding for both:
NYU vs. UVa

I know it's a weird question and highly subjective, but that's what i'm looking for...personal opinions!

thanks and best of luck to you all.

lookylookyyonder said...

@seth

ah, no worries.

@seemoreglass

nyu, absolutely.

Ashley Brooke said...

sahaider,
I got a letter in the mail today notifying me that I did not receive funding and that they "completed [their] hiring," but they may just mean they've made offers and have a waitlist that I am not on. Good luck!

Ashley Brooke said...

Abbie,
Thanks. Good luck at Irvine! What a great program.

frankish said...

@SeeMoreGlass - Assuming funding were not an issue, definitely NYU. The program's biggest drawback (to me) is the expense, and especially the expense of living in NYC. If that weren't an issue, the fantastic faculty plus cultural scene in New York would make it a top choice.

Cheers!

MFQ said...

@constance
@dee

I was hoping to run a few Miami questions past Dee, too. Constance, are you in fiction?

lindsey said...

sahaider,
i'm also on the IAship waitlist. i called last week since i had yet to hear anything, and they notified me of the waitlist. other than that, no phone call/e-mail. hope to hear something soon (at least before april 15th when i have to tell them my decision). regardless, i'm pretty set on texas state, i think.

Rosie said...

Got rejected by New School via snail mail today. Oh well, I didn't want to go there, anyway!!!! !!! !

Jaaaa-young teachuh said...

NYU for sure...

Zoulou said...

Thanks @Lucas and Woon and DigAPony and everyone else for sharing your teaching experiences/thoughts... and Lucas it's really great to hear that teaching was one of the best parts of your MA degree!

@Adam - congrats on the waitlist! Definitely a reason to celebrate :) Good luck to you!

@Ananda - ha, yeah, about the UW rejection - I know right? Actually made me giggle (even though I was sad). I'm glad you posted it - I was too chicken. Do you know what you'll be up to next year?

@MommyJ - I'm pulling for you. It's obvious that you really care for these kids, and I imagine what they really need most is people like you, so I admire your caring - I'm just sorry you're hurting, though.

Good luck, all you guys.

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Zoulou said...

@Constance Culver, hey, congratulations! My brother goes to med school there and I just thought I'd throw in - dang, the U Miami guys are smoking. Probably not the reason you're thinking of attending... but here's me feeling a little jealous :P

@SeeMoreGlass, first off, whoa, way to go, look at you and your fabulous choices! :) And, because everyone here seems to be all over New York, I had to add in - UVA!! Good luck with your decision, and congrats!

many many birdies said...

Maybe this is way to negative, and please know that I don't mean it to sound mean, but: I went to a small college instead of a big university specifically so I wouldn't have grad students who knew nothing about teaching trying to teach me.

There's a huge difference between being taught by someone who knows a lot about their subject and knows how to teach, and someone who just knows a lot about their subject. For those of you going into a TA with no teaching experience, I'd recommend at least reading some education theory books over the summer. Or interviewing some of your favorite former teachers/professors. Unless you really just see the TA as a means to an end (eg, not having to pay tuition), in which case I guess there's no reason to worry about skill.

Two small bits of advice that have helped me, which I wish someone shared with me earlier in my teaching life:

1) Always know your objectives for the term, and then break it down so you have objectives for each class (ie, by the end of this class, students will be able to.....)

2) When you're presenting material, there will of course be a period of presentation, and some kind of practice. But most of the lesson should be devoted to letting the students really use whatever skill they're learning, with very limited teacher interference or scaffolding.

Maybe not helpful advice at all, but, like I said, I wish someone had told me those two things my first year of teaching. :)

LAswede said...

been teaching comp./lit. for four years now and here's how it started: a couple of weeks after i graduated with my masters (a late summer graduate), i got a job at grambling state...i was tossed my books, given my schedule, had 4 days to prepare, then it was go time...didn't have a fucking clue what to do, but did it anyway. you won't know until you get thrown in the ring. it's simple: some can do it, and some can't.
and i wanted to create a paragraph here using two colons, thank you.

Woon said...

@megan - You are mistaken. I was making a connection between my lack of English Lit/comp background in school and my GRE score, NOT teaching ability to GRE score.

I wholeheartedly agree that teaching ability is separate from writing ability.

Woon said...

@LASwede - I love colons and semicolons, too!

LAswede said...

and check out the luke wilson movie tenure where he makes a great point: the number one factor that makes a difference is relating to the student. listen to them and treat them as equals (which, trust me, is easier said than done!) and they will do the same. yeah, you'll get the assholes in classes too, but that's life.

many many birdies said...

ah woon. I deleted that post within milliseconds of posting it because I realized it didn't make sense and didn't accurately convey anything I was trying to express.

Can't you allow a poor girl to retract once in a while? Or must I be judged forever by all of you crazy subscribers?

Pema D said...

@megan
i appreciate your input. i am petrified of teaching freshman comp. do you recommend any particular educational theory/pedagogy texts or books in particular??

anyone else out there with reading suggestions for preparing ourselves for TAing?

congrats to everyone who's been able to make up their mind- that sense of closure must be amazing. continued best of luck to everyone...

T said...

Is anybody accepting a TA'ship at Montana?
Is anybody going without one?
Is anybody thinking about doing law school and just selling your soul for a ton of money/security?
these are the things I deal with

Ariel said...

My list:

Accepted:
Iowa (CNF)
Montana (Fiction & CNF)--just declined both spots, so that should help move the waitlist, but neither is funded so far


Waitlisted:
Indiana
Wash U
Hunter

Rejected:
Michigan
Madison
IWW
Minnesota
UMass

Still waiting:
Virginia

Jason R Jimenez said...

Yo guys! Going to accept my acceptance to CCA. So fellow CCA'ers I will see you after.. but to the rest of you...

Goodnight Ashley Brooke, goodnight Trilbe, goodnight Koru, goodnight KayBay, goodnight Jasmine, goodnight Arna Bontemps, goodnight Seth, goodnight M Swann, goodnight Woon, goodnight Anti-, goodnight Aaron Apps, goodnight Chrissy, goodnight Zoulou, goodnight Xavier, goodnight Sud, goodnight Nathaniel, goodnight Cratty, goodnight Le Tigre, goodnight PhillyWriter, goodnight Maslo, goodnight Mommy J, goodnight Jarsh, goodnight Pencore, goodnight Jarsh, goodnight Perpetua, goodnight WordShift, goodnight Laura T, goodnight dYIJ, goodnight Amanda, goodnight Real Talk, and finally goodnight Dreux, wherever you are.

And of course if I didn't say goodnight to you, well, you get the idea... goodnight.

I will never forget what this community of mfa applicants did to ease my mind during this crazy process. Best of luck to those still waiting and to those who have already accepted spots, let's do this!!!

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Laura said...

Goodnight to you, Jason J! Congratulations on making a decision and I hope you have a wonderful time at CCA!

nattyish said...

Congrats Jason! Go kick butt in SF!

Pema D said...

@Sutpen
WOW i am/was dealing with exactly the same thing..
law school vs mfa vs law school vs mfa agghhhhh
and though the program/location looks awesome, i cannot go to montana without a TAship... declined my spot there. their funding was especially weak for CNF.
good luck with whatever you choose!

Unknown said...

Goodnight, Jason J! Congrats on making your decision and best of luck to you during your MFA journey:)

Congrats to everybody who received good news today, yesterday, and everyday before (especially those who weren't expecting it b/c they thought their schools were all done notifying :) !!)

I hope you all get a lot more great news tomorrow!

Mickey Kenny said...

So I know other people have similar dilemmas right now....

Do I go for a funded MA (at a school/place I love) or an unfunded MFA at a program I'm really interested in.

any thoughts? in other words, can someone make this decision for me..

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honeybadger said...

Hello everyone again!

I just received notification that I am placed "high" on the waitlist for Virginia. This spot might be open once I've made my decision--fingers crossed-- this week.

Thank you so much, everyone, for your comments and advice. Right now, I'm already arranging final meetings with professors and phone calls with prospective faculty about my final decision.

@ Summer

Hey! Thanks for the reply. I wish it were as simple as gut feelings, but the uncertainty is bothering me--but I bet this is ten times worse for someone on the waitlist, so I'm going to do this fast for you!

@ Seth

Thanks for the analysis, re: Michigan vs. Cornell. I do appreciate the input! I view Cornell as a three-year program, and this adds a lot of weight because ultimately I'm doing an MFA for the time it gives me, and that is a lot of extra time to be at an institution with resources. From the looks of it, it is a very free curriculum and a residency-like feel.

On your experiences of hearing mixed reviews about Michigan but good feedback about Cornell--are these current students who are now in the program? Is it through polling or testimonials?

I am also curious about the poetry rankings for Cornell. It seems this year Cornell has dropped significantly in the poetry rankings, below several programs that are not fully-funded. Given the good faculty-student ratio and opportunities present in Cornell, and that Cornell's funding is probably the second best after Texas, and I am curious--is there a concrete explanation for this drop in the poetry ranking?

@ Peaquah

I did love the 826Mich component of my visit to Michigan! I was that 826 brat who was a complete fangirl for 826Valencia, so the internship option at Michigan was a big selling point for me.

Another great part was the fact that Eileen was just SO NICE! and everyone I met, awesome. This might be a pro or a con because I might end up spending all my time socializing. Just maybe. But congratulations on making your choice! So happy for you--I know that the program is going to be excellent.


Many congratulations to everyone who is getting acceptances/making decisions! Life-changes, life-changes...

Andrea said...

Re: pedagogy texts to review for teaching

In addition to my plug for The St. Martin's Guide to Teaching Writing, 6th ed., to study pedagogy specifically I highly recommend A Guide To Composition Pedagogies, eds. Gary Tate, Amy Rupiper, & Kurt Schick. It's an invaluable resource for teaching writing, and is made up of academic essays devoted to 10-11 different pedagogies, each written by experts in their theory. It's really intense and rich, but is also very accessible for those new to the world of comp pedagogy.

Try these out! They will serve you well, in my very non-expert opinion.

Ashley Brooke said...

Jason J,
Congrats and good luck! I'm not sure if I ever told you, but I really enjoyed reading your sample over at ning. I hope you're happy at CCA.

frankish said...

Has anyone heard from FIU?

And did I read correctly that someone just got a wait list notification from UVa? If so, congrats! Though I really wish that school would be more courteous/responsive.

Cheers!

Unknown said...

@chelsea/UNCG

I got accepted for fiction and it's likely that I'll be accepting the offer there. The program looks great and the faculty members seem to be very giving of their time. I hear it's great for poets especially. Don't know much about Greensboro, the city, outside of the Greensboro Masacre. Anyway, would love to chat with you over email. What's your address, I'll drop you a line.

Aurora Bee said...

thanks for the tips, trokee and zoulou! much appreciated.

Unknown said...

Old Dominion fiction rejection by mail today, just an FYI.

Le sigh.

In other news-- Congrats people who have accepted offers! Goodnight Jason :).

Unknown said...

@DigAPony

I'd love to chat with your friend at Mills if she is up for it! my email is cheena.marie.lo[at]gmail.com

Thanks!

inkli__11 said...

sutpen,
i've been considering the idea of going to montana without a TAship, but i think, in the end, i'm going to just reapply next year. are you poetry or fiction?

Andrea said...

@ cheena

I passed along your email address to her as well. :)

threes said...

@sutpen and pema d

ugh all the way. Do I get an MFA (love the next three years of my life, then spend my 30s destitute and drifting) or an MPP (at michigan, where my gf is) and have a solid steady career in a stable field. ugh ugh ugh

L. Lewis said...

@ Ashley Brooke – If you choose to go to Texas State without a IA, you might be able to apply for the Spring semester. I missed the boat on the IA application, but was told that I could apply in January. Pretty sure that's where I'm headed in the fall!

Kendra said...

@ honeybadger - if you really want three years in a program, I think that's a huge selling point for Cornell. Plus, it's extra teaching experience. I know you didn't mean it this way or anything, but I wouldn't let the 826 Michigan internship be *too* much of a factor since it'd be such a small part of your overall experience, and unlikely something you'd continue with the second year because of teaching responsibilities. Just trying to play the devil's advocate a little. :-) Best of luck with the decision-making!

Chelsea said...

@spencer

Awesome sauce! I'd love to talk more about the program

querner[dot]c [at] gmail[dot]com

Nadiya said...

@Summer: hehe. Everyone seems to be warning me about corn. On the other hand, I’m sure to get a lot of writing done, yeah? I’m just relieved to be done with it – trying to make up my mind was killing me.

@wrecking light: So I’ll be seeing you, yes? Delighted – as a fiction person who’s also a recently outed closet-poet. :-)

Nadiya said...

@anyone interested in Michigan – Kendra’s emails are detailed, useful and lovely. :-) She’s a gem. And for the record, I’m not letting go of her even if I decided to go to a different program.

koru said...

@Jason J ... congrats on making a choice! and may you thrive at CCA!

Seth Abramson said...

@honeybadger

1. Current and recent students; testimonials.

2. Small sample size; margin of error. By this summer there should be a larger sample size and my hope is that Cornell will rise in keeping with that -- in the meantime, you can look at last year's rankings, which have Cornell at #9 in poetry. I'd also note that Iowa graduates 250 poets per decade, and Michigan more than 100, and Cornell... 40. So there are many fewer poets out there to wave the flag for Cornell, and whose successes are attributed to the program. It's a natural advantage that larger programs have which does, to a small but non-zero degree, give them an advantage over their peers. But that certainly can't be held against the smaller MFAs. E.g., when you adjust for size, you suddenly see that Cornell ranks in the top 5 nationally for Placement.

Best,
S.

SeeMoreGlass said...

thanks to everyone for the uva vs. nyu feedback. i love the faculty at both programs.
it seems to me like the university people at nyu have been really trying to improve their program the last few years, adding all this star faculty, renovating the townhouse, better funding, etc. So their alumni are still untested but it seems like an exciting place to be. (on the other hand, i hope it's not too big in terms of class size or too big in terms of names to feel impersonal)
again, thanks. y'all are the best.

SurvivinginLA said...

Hey Seth,

FYI, financial aid for the MFA in Film (all specializations) is lousy. Which is to say it's up from ten years ago, when there was almost none at all.

I was actually shocked to find that MFA candidates in Creative Writing could expect stipends, too, at many places -- until I realized many schools could place its students teaching Comp. (I never had grad student teachers as an undergrad.)

Of course, there's more financial upside in film/tv "if" you can cash that lottery ticket...

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Justin Bendell said...

@ frankish - I got a letter from FIU a couple weeks ago. Accepted for CNF. Funding decision is 3/30.

peripateticmc said...

Is anybody on here on a waitlist for UNO?
If so, I just turned down a spot. :)

Chrissy Widmayer said...

@Jason J -- Congrats on deciding on CCA! Who knows, I might end up there! It's all going to come down to funding (still waiting for my CCA letter), although I'm leaning toward Emerson.

I wish you the best of luck, and I hope you're extremely happy, warm, and productive during your MFA tenure! Goodnight and Good Luck!

bbartok said...

@honeybadger

My girlfriend got her poetry MFA from Cornell (class of '08). She liked the situation there, and it really did seem like a happy group overall, although since it's so small there is the chance it could vary year to year depending on personalities. Alice Fulton is definitely a very dedicated teacher (tons of thoughtful notes on every poem). Ken McClane is a great teacher, too. She liked Lyrae, as well. I don't know if I'm up on the latest faculty there, but I always got happy vibes there. Lots of great readings, free food, free booze at events. First year not teaching, just reading at Epoch is a breeze and they're lenient with the types of courses you can take. Summer funding both years (still?) I like Ithaca, too. If you have anything specific you want me to ask my girlfriend, I'd be happy to.

Of course, I know nothing about Michigan. She probably would've gone there had she gotten in bc she's obsessed with Laura Kasischke.

Pema D said...

@DigAPony thanks so much for the tips on pedagogy texts-- will definitely check them out.

@threes do you have a fully funded mfa option? the way i am trying to keep the dreadful ugghhh feeling in check is that i decided if it still appeals to me in a couple of years, i can always do the law degree or the MFT or the PsyD after the mfa. and then hopefully, like you said, not be destitute and drifting indefinitely...
in any case, i commiserate.
also, i noticed you went to the GMU open house. i think you said you were accepted in CNF? (sorry if i got that wrong). so was i, but i didn't get to attend. would you be willing to share some of your thoughts from the visit?
i would really appreciate any extra insight i can get on the program.
i'm at luling (dot) osofsky (at) gmail

foe said...

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2010/03/30/james-franco-yale-degree-in-the-works/

Oh. My. God.

James Franco, stop sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.

Unknown said...

Poor James Franco. I think we should cut him a break. Does being an actor make him immune to jibes at his work? Respect to all aspiring writers, I say..

Austin said...

@ Chelsea

Congrats!!!!

@ Woon

Stop lying.

Emily said...

RE: James Franco

Who cares? If I were him, I'd do the same. Whether he deserves it is a less interesting question than what he will do with it. If he does good things, makes better movies & writes better stories, we're all the better for it. People luck into opportunity all the time, it doesn't make them jerks.

Laura said...

I've always thought that if I were really rich, then I would just stay in school my whole life and get numerous advanced degrees in everything I'm interested in. Maybe that's what James Franco is doing!

Jennifer said...

How is Franco sticking his nose where it doesn't belong by attending a Phd program? That is really unfair. Especially given that he has already completed an MFA.

phillywriter said...

Personally, if I were James Franco, I would publish under a pseudonym (at least initially) so that I could ensure that my writing was being recognized for merit only and that any critical response (positive or negative) was about the writing, not about me. Of course, if I was dead-set on publishing and couldn't get anywhere without using my celebrity, then I might resort to that. But I think for my own sense of self as a writer I would want to know that the responses to my work were based on the words on the page and nothing else.

carina said...

@ honeybadger

genre?

phillywriter said...

Not that I really want to dwell on James Franco (OK, maybe I do), but I don't fault him in the least for wanting to better himself and his writing through education. Whether he's truly as qualified as other applicants or gets ahead based on his celebrity is a different matter, but it's out of Franco's control - one can't apply to school anonymously or under a pseudonym.

But I still maintain that I would publish initially under a pseudonym if I were he. I have an acquaintance from a privileged background whose schooling and jobs were all acquired through her various connections. She suffers from severe self-esteem issues because she worries that she never would have gotten anywhere based on merit alone. (Even her promotions at work are probably due more to who she is than what she's done.) She's too afraid (and likes money too much) to see if she could make it somewhere without using these connections, but I think she will always question whether she is smart or competent or even whether anyone would like her if she didn't have the background she has. I used to be jealous of her - but I'm not anymore.

In other words, if I were James Franco, it would drive me crazy not to know if I were actually a halfway decent writer or whether all perceptions were muddied by my identity. Negative perceptions, too, for that matter: Would we be as harsh on the writing if he weren't James Franco? Hard to say.

threes said...

@ pema D

Good thoughts. I have a funded offer and am leaning toward it. Sort of hard to pass up. But my gf is in Michigan, far far away. (Thanks, love, for getting your PhD at one of the most impossible-to-be-accepted-to programs in the country)

Re: GMU, I am fiction and am in your shoes - I couldn't attend the open house, and was asking others for their impressions. So sorry I can't help you there. Don't think I"m going to be attending though, unless funding comes through, which doesn't seem likely.

Ratliff said...

Man, am I glad we're back on James Franco. Last night I wanted to comment on his story but didn't want everyone to groan at the topic being brought up again.

I agree all aspiring writers should be met with due respect. Anything published, however, has the right to be criticized. It WILL be criticized. I think Franco can handle it. "Black gaping gap?" Really? James, darling James, you know what you've done there.

I didn't like the story, but I didn't hate it. As long as you don't use "coolio" as an adjective, I'm pretty fine with reading your work. Yeah, I've seen it done before in a published novel sold at Barnes & Noble.

I agree with a previous comment here that said the story was above average, not phenomenal.

James Franco can still buy me dinner any day of the week.

Courtney said...

Has anyone heard ANYTHING from Rutgers for CNF???

Courtney said...

@SeeMoreGlass

NYU without question. I hope this is the position you are actually in, because it is a nice place to be resting :)

@Seth

Thanks so much for the advice about deciding on a school and of course for the insight into SLC. I really appreciate it and I'll let you know when I commit.

-nonfiction Courtney

Ashley Brooke said...

Well, we did know that Franco was applying to phDs at the moment, so this isn't a surprise and I say good luck.

Just so everybody knows, I will never tired of the Franco conversation, as a few days ago I changed my ever-interesting facebook activity from "waiting and watching to see what Michael Cera will do next" to "waiting and watching to see what James Franco will do next." Therefore... we know it is serious...

Unknown said...

Long time lurker, first time commenter.

I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the SAIC program. I applied because I like Chicago and I like art school kids, and now, since the New School has been silent, it looks like it's my only option.

I'm CNF, by the way.

Pema D said...

@threes oops, i read that wrong, i thought you were looking to exchange impressions, not gather them. yeah, i think i'm going to pass on GMU as well for lack of funding. and sorry to hear about the gf far, far away. i can relate. my bf is going to med school in ISRAEL.
OY VEY!
empathy and solidarity to all those lamenting the imminent long distance!!
and hope everyone has a great day. ciao

Corey Haydu said...

Has anyone had any luck calling columbia and getting answers? or new school?

I'm sending in my check for Queens/CHarlotte today. Luckily its not the highest deposit ever but... I mean honestly. Nothing in my mailbox again. I've tried calling New School once on Friday.... talked to someone... should I try again???

Coughka said...

James Franco's quality as a writer is debatable (look at us: debating!), his quality as a hot guy is not.

I read somewhere* Franco pays full tuition for his degrees, so he's not stealing spots from the general (poorer) applicant pool. More power to him. If I had his money (and his youth, haha), I'd probably become just as overeducated. I agree with phillywriter: Franco would be better served publishing pseudonymously until he's ready to blow our mindamites with his abilities.

*A commenter on Entertainment Weekly's website, so this is not a FACT.

Chelsea said...

@Austin

Thank you!!

So. I'm in perhaps a strange spot. I received an e-mail last week from Jim Clark saying the MFA had forwarded their recommendation for my acceptance to the grad school. Received acceptance letter from grad admissions yesterday. Should I be calling Clark to confirm I received letter and thank him/squeal about the offer? Or should I hang tight and wait for them to contact me??

Austin said...

@ M Swann

I am rather close with one of the PhD adcomms at a university where Franco applied. He indeed does not want any money or teaching responsibilities. He pays for himself and just wants to go to school.

Perpetua said...

Summer - I second kaybay, please find out... at this point I'd give my right arm to know where I stand! I applied for Fiction.

Austin said...

@ Chelsea

I don't think they'd mind if you called, but I don't think it's necessary. Welcome to the club of getting into this amazing school and not knowing if you'll get any funding/be able to attend.

I'm very concerned about this.

M. M. said...

I hadn't heard anything from the New School either, so I called the Writing Program this morning and they transferred me to Graduate Admissions. The woman I spoke to said that all responses have gone out and I should have been notified by now (I live in NYC). After looking up my file she told me that "something" was sent to me last Monday and I should be receiving it "very shortly." When I informed her that I had to make a decision by next Monday she said to call back on Thursday if I hadn't received "it" and ask for someone named Anita. I felt like I was talking to the Secret Service. Sheesh.

Corey Haydu said...

@Micaela: glad I'm not alone. I live in NYC too. christ. i'm exhausted by this.

Corey Haydu said...

@Micaela: glad I'm not alone. I live in NYC too. christ. i'm exhausted by this.

Coughka said...

In non-Franco news: they turned the Large Hadron Collider on, and our universe hasn't yet been swallowed by a giant Cthulu.

Chelsea said...

@Austin

A nerve wracking club, indeed! At least there's company, yea?

Brooks Sherman said...

@Micaela

I'm with you and Coreyann. Perhaps we should form a NYC PTS support group after this week.

Thanks for the news about New School!

M. M. said...

I still haven't heard from Columbia or NYU either. Assuming the worst, but I've been accepted to Bennington and Sarah Lawrence and will probably choose SL if there's no word from the big NY schools.

frankish said...

@Chelsea - In your case, I'd feel free to call or email Jim Clark. First, he seems like a really nice guy. Second, once a program of this size accepts you, they are generally eager to close you and happy to hear from you. I'm sure they will be able to let you know whatever they know (with respect to funding), such as when the department might expect to hear from the university regarding the number of (and stipend associated with) TAships. Of course, these are just based on my own experience. YMMV.

Congrats!

frankish said...

@Micaela - I spoke to someone at Columbia yesterday, and she said decisions are still going out and that she'd expect for applicants to hear by next week. My specific question was re: Fiction, but she didn't make much of a distinction.

Good luck!

Brooks Sherman said...

@Micaela

I'm also waiting on Columbia and NYU. :)

I'm 99% sure I didn't get in anywhere this year. After a rough month, I'm brushing myself off, and returning my attentions to my current short story in development and looking for a better apartment.

Not that I would turn down a last-minute acceptance, of course (hint hint, NYU...)

inkli__11 said...

i noticed that a few people received email rejections from u of washington (seattle) yesterday. is anyone else still waiting to hear? i wonder what's going on--it's getting pretty late. also, for those who received news, did your online status page change to reflect this news? thanks!

and, on another note, does anyone know when b.u. will finish notifying?

Chelsea said...

@frankish

Thank you!!

I just shot off an e-mail to Jim Clark--good advice! It gave me an opportunity to thank them properly and not get awkward/stutter/giggle nervously. All very real possibilities had I been on the phone, haha.

Otkuda said...

Is anyone here STILL waiting on Brooklyn?

Corey Haydu said...

@Otkuda:

ME! If they are located in New York, where I live, then i am still waiting for them.

kbtoys said...

I am also waiting on Brooklyn!

Unknown said...

NEW YORK, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM??!

Otkuda, i am still waiting on Brooklyn too! I was so relieved to talk to that lady who said everyone was rejected who hadn't been called, until reading on here that at least one person (one of the Megans?) got a waitlist the next day. I'm still expecting a rejection, but seriously, they owe us some response. I am firing off an e-mail later today and going to try my hardest to sound polite.

I have not gotten a single piece of mail in 2 weeks. And have heard nothing, nada, zilch from NYU, Columbia, or the New School, or Brooklyn's online status system.

Good luck getting some news out of these places!!!

Justin Bendell said...
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Justin Bendell said...

Admitted to UNCW, CNF, off the waitlist. 3/30/10. As-of-yet unfunded.

M. M. said...

@frankish, thanks for the Columbia info.

@Brooks, if it's any consolation, I applied to a bunch of programs in 2006 and was rejected everywhere. I dedicated myself to poetry the last few years--took workshops at New School and Gotham (which I LOVED), got published, went to Bread Loaf, etc., etc. My advice is to wait until all the responses are in before getting depressed. And if you're not in anywhere, find ways to work your craft into your everyday life. Make your own MFA program for a year or two and come back to it. I also found that the second time around I had a better idea of which schools would be a good fit for me.

Lexie said...

is anyone else still waiting on Hunter?

Brooks Sherman said...

@Susan, Otkuda, Coreyann

Jesus. There's a ton of us all waiting on all the same damn NYC programs. I'm waiting on Brooklyn too (although I assumed I was rejected since I hadn't heard anything).

@Micaela

Thanks for the encouragement. Like I said, it was rough the last couple weeks, but I'm pulling myself out of the gloom. I'm already involved in a great small fiction workshop, and once I finish my current story I'll be submitting it and another to publications (never submitted before). Oh, and a few friends and I run a satirical website that is "the poor man's Onion"... The Garlic Press. :)

At any rate, this, my first attempt at applying to MFA programs, has been quite the educational experience.

Unknown said...

Otkuda,

I'm still waiting on Brooklyn and TNS as well. I still don't have a status change online. Not expecting anything favorable at this point, but still... I just want to know so I can stop checking my mail expectantly everyday. Kind of annoying...

Julian said...

@Lexie

Yes. I am waiting on Hunter for fiction.

Sud said...

@JasonJ-Goodnight, good luck, best wishes for a wonderful life!

red said...

Did anyone use Interfolio to manage their recommendations? I'm already looking ahead to next year and wondering if it's worth the investment. Will all the schools accept recommendations coming from Interfolio? A lot of the schools I applied to sent individual emails to my professors after I provided their email addresses, so I'm not sure how that works with the Interfolio service.

T said...

I'm still waiting on Arkansas, Florida, and Virginia. It seems sort of absurd that they can't print a rejection letter before March 30th. Though I'll be lenient on UVA, because they can do whatever the hell they want, they're UVA.

Is anyone else waiting on Florida or Arkansas? You think they'll email or post?

Chrissy said...

Just got my rejection from University of Oregon, via email. I'm fiction. Or I would have been. ;)

Ali Haider said...

Also just got my rejection e-mail from Oregon. Fiction. All smiles.

Sud said...

MommyJ, just read your post from yesterday...I am really hoping and wishing SUNY for you!

phillywriter said...

I took Emily's advice and contacted LSU to see if they could tell me where I stand on the waitlist.
Turns out, I'm #1 on the waitlist for Fiction!
Apparently this already takes into account the two people on this blog who already turned LSU down (so, I'm guessing I was initially #3 or lower on the waitlist).

In any case, the next person who turns down LSU in fiction lets me in! So, if any of you are planning on declining LSU but just haven't let them know yet, please cut the cord!

I might not have to apply again next year after all! There's still time for March Radness!

Andrea said...

Thanks for the warning about the Oregon rejection! Now when I press refresh for the millionth time and something pops up from them I won't get that split-second, gut-wrenching stab of hope that MAYBE it's a waitlist or something glorious happened by accident... :)

Brittany said...

Congrats on UNCW, DryLeaves! And here's hoping for you, phillywriter--you are so close and you deserve it!

Courtney said...

@Dry Leaves
Yay! Congrats on UNCW!!!
Any sense on how deep they were getting into the waitlist? Their response to me, with regard to my placement on the waitlist was "if the odds were stacked against you, I would definitely tell you, and I can tell you they are not.." ummm fantastic response? so much clearer.

@Micaela

Say you get into Columbia or NYU, would you choose one of them over SLC? I'm just wondering b/c you sound like your position is SLC is the backup, unless something better comes along. I think that's a nice position to be in, I'm only curious because I'm in a position where I have to decide between SLC and Columbia, but I'm in for creative nonfiction. Oh, and I also live in New York. Will you be going to the open house at SLC next Wednesday?

As for Columbia,not hearing anything, I think it's a good sign...from the conversation I had over the phone, it seems as though all "accepted" students for the first round have been contacted, but I believe they keep a pretty deep unofficial waitlist (mostly for financial reasons, a lot of people turn them down for lack of funding). Anyway, good luck to you and I'd love to hear your thoughts on why you like one school over the other. I know with rankings, faculty, and different genres, it's kind of tough to say, but if I were a fiction applicant I can see NYU being a dream school. Fingers crossed for you in any event!

-nonfiction Courtney

Emily said...

great news, philly! here's hoping...

kaybay said...

Philly Writer!! Awesome! Here's hoping someone does indeed turn LSU down! I've been to Baton Rouge before, and while I'm not keen on the city in general, the school is gorgeous, as is the area around it, and it's only a couple of hours to New Orleans and only a couple more to Gulf beaches. GOOOOOOOOD food too, oh man. Go to Parrain's!! Amazing creole/cajun food. Good gumbo.

Leslie said...

Wow, phillywriter--great news! Fingers crossed for you!

Lucas said...

@ UNCG folks

Anybody admitted with funding yet? I've not heard one word.

Justin Bendell said...

@ nonfiction Courtney

A couple weeks ago, Lavonne Adams told me that I was number five on the CNF wait list. So, they are at least that deep into it, which bodes well for you I imagine. Best of luck! I received both a call and email...

@ all

Good luck all. This wild season's winding down. Don't give up on wait lists. I've been offered spots off two of my four wait lists thus far...

inkli__11 said...

congrats, phillywriter!!

Unknown said...

M.Swann, your photo links grant us respite (and I enjoyed your savvy EW.com endnote).

phillywriter, hope you get into LSU!

Austin said...

@ Lucas

There is no funding yet. For anyone.

threes said...

congrats, Dry Leaves! where are you leaning?

M. M. said...

@NF Courtney, The truth is that I adore SL for their faculty (I'm poetry, by the way) and how they organize the program...I'm really excited to be accepted. However, and this may seem superficial, I'm dreading the commute from Brooklyn (at least 1.5 hours each way, and 40 mins. of that is walking). The price tag is easier to manage than Columbia due to the significantly smaller fee the second year, but Columbia has a few more resources outside of the curriculum that I'm interested in, particularly when it comes to teaching writing in non-traditional settings. I'd also really like the TA experience, which SL doesn't offer.

I'd be happy to go to NYU, but it's sort of my neutral school in terms of gut response. I'm probably going to turn down Bennington because I'm not totally sold on the low-res format, despite the fact that the people I know who went there seemed to have a very intensive writing/reading experience, a larger body of work when finished, and more one-on-one with their mentor.

I love NYC and feel that I'm missing a community of writers, which I think is best found when you live in the same place as the people in your program.

Just curious, what are you considering in weighing Columbia vs. Sarah Lawrence?

grinning fox said...

I have been stalking this blog for several weeks. I figured I would finally post. Thank you to everyone who contributes!
I just talked to BU. They said all fiction applicants should be notified by the end of the week. If accepted, you get a call, otherwise, I think it's snail mail.
I still haven't heard from Bennington.
Those are the only schools I applied to other than the UNO low res program, where I was accepted a couple of weeks ago.
Fingers crossed for everybody still waiting!

M. M. said...

And yes, I'm going to the open house at Sarah Lawrence next week.

Coughka said...

Not previously posted Info for you guys still waiting on Columbia University: the program decision date is later than the April 15 CoGS agreement; accepted students have until April 26 to decide.

If Columbia doesn't notify its wait-list (which I agree must be big; I'm dropping my position when I find out definitively my funding chances), that means you guys might have good news later than everyone else. There's still hope; hope floats (if you can afford it).

Henry, wag said...

@Micaela

I have also been accepted for poetry at Sarah Lawrence and live in NYC. I was weighing an offer from Vermont College and had to let them know by last Friday. I declined, largely for the reason you mentioned -- that I live in NYC and would rather be in a community of writers here, rather than one that is dispersed. But I heard many positives about the Vermont program.

I live in Manhattan, though, so my commute will not be quite as onerous as yours. I too will be at the open house next Wednesday. Hopefully I'll see you then!

Zoulou said...

@phillywriter, whoa, congrats on hearing your position! That sounds like very good news indeed.

@Dry Leaves - congratulations on UNCW!

Ratliff said...

I'm having a bad day. My favorite English teacher from high school passed away last night. I haven't spoken to him in years, but he was a major motivational force for me back then. I used to stay after class, and we'd discuss poetry and books. He was always honest with his critiques of my first horrible attempts at poetry.

Come on, Bennington. Please give me a happy call.

Jasmine Sawers said...

I'm sorry Ratliff. He sounds like he was great.

Unknown said...

Ratliff, feel better. He's gone to join Him..

gsolbrunne said...

so is anyone still waiting to hear back from ASU or Florida? I know ASU already sent out acceptances/rejections/ waitlists, but I'm afraid to call them because... well, there's no logical reason. I'm just a nervous individual. So I thought I'd ask here if anyone has any insider (or regular outsider) info on those schools. I got my Syracuse rejection email much later than the first few waves, so perhaps it's just that?
As for Florida, I just have no idea.

I just wanna be put out of my misery!

Hilary Dobel said...

I'm sorry, Ratliff - I'm sure he would be really happy to know that he made such an impression on you, though.

Also, congratulations to PhillyWriter!

Also, BU never emailed me back. Methinks this is not good. Maybe James Franco can pay for me to go to Columbia...

Laura said...

So the Emerson vs. Sarah Lawrence debate continues to rage on in my head, and I am going crazy.

I have not yet gotten a merit aid letter from Emerson... creative writing merit aid letters were sent on Friday and I only live a couple of hours away from Boston, so I'm thinking it would not take more than two days to get here -- it's been three. I'm thinking I didn't get merit aid. Which is a huge downer. Not only because I needed the money, but also because it makes me feel like maybe I wasn't one of the faculty's top picks. :/

But even without merit aid from Emerson, Emerson is still a lot cheaper than Sarah Lawrence. Mostly because I am guaranteed really cheap housing in Boston through the people I know there, versus probably really expensive housing in/around NYC.

Emerson has possible teaching opportunities that SLC doesn't, three years vs. two, possibly more internship opportunities, etc.etc.etc. But I feel like my style & aesthetic is more closely matched with that of the SLC faculty, and the thought of giving up the chance to work with those poets breaks my heart a little. But, the thought of the huge loans I would need for SLC also breaks my heart... a lot.

I'm thinking Emerson is the much smarter choice financially, which is important to me. It's still hard though.

Laura said...

@ Ratliff,

I'm so sorry to hear about your teacher.

Chelsea said...

@phillywriter

Great, great news! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

Cheers!

lisa said...

@ratliff

sounds like the student/mentor relationship you had with your favorite high school teacher was a special one, & i agree that you've certainly done him proud. i'm still in touch with my favorite english teacher of all time (though not as often as i should be), & i'd be devastated to lose her.

here's hoping that bennington pulls through with some awesome news to balance things out, newtonian style.

Chrissy Widmayer said...

@Laura T -- I wouldn't give up hope yet. Don't you think Emerson'll send you a letter saying they can't offer you merit aid? I feel like that's the decent thing to do. Maybe we should call and ask? Plus, who knows. Maybe the letters went out through campus mail and got held up in the Emerson mail center. There's always hope!

@Ratliff -- I'm so sorry to hear about your teacher. It sounds like you truly cared about him. My condolences.

frankish said...

@Ratliff - Sorry for your loss. :(

@Algae - I sent an email to ASU yesterday and heard right back re: my status. It's the end of March; I wouldn't be shy about calling or emailing any programs you are stilling waiting to hear from.

@ All of the acceptances and wait-listers - Congratulations! This really is an incredibly competitive (and opaque) process, and I'm happy to see so many people find places.

Good luck to everyone still waiting to hear!

Rosie said...

@Laura T,

Well, if you didn't get merit aid, I don't stand an icicle's chance in Hades. I sneakily read your poetry, and it's so gorgeous. Maybe the money is still on its way?

I guess I don't really have any advice for your situation except to ~*follow your heart,*~ but I want to punch people when they tell me that.

Laura said...

@ Chrissy,

I hope that we'll get a letter either way. There's nothing I hate more than just waiting and waiting and not getting any news, then the slow decline into despair... :P

I called the office today. They said all "first-round" creative writing merit aid has been sent out, and for those not given merit aid something could open up if one of the recipients of merit aid turns down the offer. I asked if they could just tell me if I'd been given anything and put me out of my misery, but they said they were not able to give any merit aid decisions over the phone. Argh!

koru said...

@inkli,

i'm still waiting on u wash as well. i tried to call yesterday, and got someone on the phone who was incredibly cross and unhelpful. :(

i also tried to contact florida, who i'm still waiting to hear from, and it was the same story ... cross person who said i should check the grad school website. i said that it didn't give my status on the status check page, and i was told that everyone says that, but we're just trying to fool them.

sigh.

and still waiting to hear from ole miss. i had an odd, odd phone call from their grad school, essentially saying they'd lost half my app and therefore had not allowed the english department to consider it? i don't quite understand, but hey, ooops. but that was a month ago, and they really should be nice enough to send me a rejection letter. and soon.

if anyone finds out a way to get a clear rejection from any of those three schools, i'd appreciate it. i want to make firm my decision within a week. :)

Laura said...

@ Rosie,

Aw, thank you so much! *blushes* I really hope you get merit aid too.

I also kind of want to punch the "follow your heart" people. My heart is a very confused organ most of the time, and if I followed it, I would probably just be running in circles.

frankish said...

@koru - I spoke with Carla Blount (Program Asst., Creative Writing) at Florida this morning and asked if I should consider UF a rejection at this point. She said that I should not, as all notifications have not been sent out yet. She was unable to give me my status over the phone so suggested I email her. I haven't heard back yet.

I realize that doesn't really provide much help. :P

Good luck!

Constance Culver said...

Matt- I'm in at Miami for poetry. Are you thinking of accepting?

Zoulou- Haha, that's amazing! I was told by a guy who studied law there that he would attend class shirtless. This might be too much to handle.

Chrissy Widmayer said...

@Laura T -- oh no! I didn't realize they were going to do it in rounds. That really makes me nervous.

If I don't know by next week when I go to Boston, then I'm going to make them tell me in person. Maybe you should make a trek out to Boston, too, and ask them to tell you in person. Might be worth the trip to be put out of your misery!

Now I'm really nervous. I really need that merit aid!

koru said...

@frankish,

that's more information than i got from Florida on the phone yesterday!

and since the CW email on their website doesn't work, at least i now have a person to try to reach, so thanks greatly!

fanks, frankish :-)

Laura said...

Chrissy,

It made me nervous too. :( I wasn't sure about what they meant by "rounds." It sounded like "first-round" just meant all the merit aid letters initially offered. Then other "rounds" would be backup offers if the original students turned theirs down.

I should have asked more about it. I was just focused on trying to get them to tell me if I had gotten any or not!

Rosie said...

@Laura T,

Same here...same here. But luckily my heart will be drop kicked aside for this decision! If Emerson doesn't give me money, I will not be able to go, because my FASFA is short by $16,000 a year. Oh well, LOL. 0_0

red said...

Is it lame that I knew I was being rejected from VTech via the online status check, and I STILL felt depressed when I received the letter? Maybe if it had been more encouraging...

Sidney Bechet said...

Let me say what should never be said: I be published in New Republic, New England Review and some scrappers. This is my third year of applying to 10+ schools and I got no offers again. Zero. I feel totally insane.

Elissa Cahn said...

Have other folks not heard from Notre Dame whatsoever?

John Douglas said...

@ Ratliff

Even though you're having a rough day, I'm an English teacher and the fact that you're this upset about losing one of yours is very inspiring. I've only taught for 6 years, and it is seriously challenging; especially when you question your impact on students. I've had many students come back and visit, and inevitably say "your my favorite teacher!"

But when students look back, the most sincerest hope is that they remember you, the teacher, fondly, and that you were able to make a mark on their lives. I must say some of my best English teachers-rather the ones who motivated me the most-were one's I hated or loathed because of how critical they were. It's nice that you have a positive memory of a teacher who was able to positively shape your writing and life.

As I depart from teaching and (probably) go to UNLV for fiction, I wonder how many students will miss me.

Ashley Brooke said...

*sigh* I just got a rejection from Kansas... It was the same form reply that many other got back in February... So basically if I hadn't e-mailed I never would have even known I was on the waitlist, other than by assuming so. I'm sad, but it's good to know.

frankish said...

@Sidney - That sucks. And I think it's totally appropriate you said it.

Although this is the first time I've been through the process, I did apply to a lot of schools, and I've become convinced that many (maybe most, possibly all) of them would have rejected my favorite writers based on their writing samples. This includes winners of the National Book Award and the Nobel Prize in Literature.

It has been an interesting and to some degree disillusioning experience. Most of the work that I've encountered that has met with great success in the process has been notably conventional. I don't consider that a good or bad thing, but I had always thought of MFA programs as laboratories where writers might stretch conventional boundaries....

I hope your writing continues to find publication. Maybe an MFA program isn't the write place for it to flourish....

Cheers!

frankish said...

"write" should be "right" obviously I need coffee :P

Courtney said...

@Micaela

Thanks for sharing those thoughts. I guess going into t his I didn’t think Columbia was a viable option, mostly for financial reasons, but I also didn’t think I would get in. (I actually didn’t think I would get in to more than one or even two schools—if any). So initially, my thought was okay, I live in Manhattan, might as well try ALL of the New York schools. I did, and was rejected from two and accepted to two. I had kind of ruled out Columbia for whatever reason, but looking at the program, it seemed pretty great to me. I had a great conversation with a member of the faculty when he called to accept me. He was engaging and knew a lot about me and about my writing, which of course is nice, but not anything to base a decision on. I think Columbia’s overall reputation is enticing and I thought, okay, how can I say no to an Ivy League school? It’s the only Ivy League that offers nonfiction. The faculty there is also amazing, but I wonder how accessible they are to the students. Also, in terms of making “connections” or building relationships, I have the slightest impression that you are only successful (specific to Columbia) if you go in elbows out, pushing your way to the front…and I’m not sure I would be the kind of writer who would benefit from that environment. Like you, I love the teaching aspect that Columbia offers; however I also think these positions are quite competitive to get and certainly too much of a probability that, to me, can’t sway me in either direction. I also wanted a three year program, but again that is negated by the fact that I would be even further up to my ears in debt at Columbia.

As for Sarah Lawrence, I like the idea of being in close proximity to the city, but building a writing community just outside of the city. I get the sense that this doesn’t detract from the community of writers that you’re talking about…but I could be wrong—that’s certainly something I want to find out at the open house. I am also just as excited about the faculty at Sarah Lawrence and have fallen in love with some of the writers there…poets too (I’m an abysmal poet…but just saying..). I like the way the program is structured and I especially like the individual attention your writing gets, which to me is worth every penny. In addition, I have been awarded about 12k in financial aid, which makes my decision more difficult in terms of saying yes to Columbia and no to SLC. I don’t like that the program is only two years, but I hear arguments from the two year MFA camp that could make sense. Hard to say when I haven’t designated that much time to my writing before. Also, one kind of personal and silly thing, is that when I found out about SLC, I was completely, and authentically excited. When I found out about Columbia, I was definitely happy, but it didn’t seem as authentic. I can’t put my finger on it, but I think that was one of those, my gut/heart is telling me something.

In terms of the commute, I definitely don’t think it’s superficial to factor that in. I mean think about it, you will do it at least twice a day, maybe not everyday, but many times a week. It plays a big part. I personally would not enjoy living in Brooklyn and commuting that far. Although I do love Brooklyn and it’s affordable, I don’t think it’s something I personally will do. Would you consider moving closer? I’m sure that’s something to think about.

Anyway, I’m looking forward to meeting you next week and good luck with Columbia!

-nonfiction Courtney

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