tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15642985.post116337171629170390..comments2024-06-20T03:07:01.931-07:00Comments on THE MFA BLOG: Magic Number?Tom Kealeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11913868167191023096noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15642985.post-1164059039083216232006-11-20T13:43:00.000-08:002006-11-20T13:43:00.000-08:00Wow, so many posts for this one! My brief opinion...Wow, so many posts for this one! My brief opinion is that you can do the best job you can on your application, send it out to any number of programs, choosing any combo of schools with any number of open slots and... I don't think even the man upstairs would know what the hell goes on in any of the admissions committies.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150515928121447656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15642985.post-1163556629691271322006-11-14T18:10:00.000-08:002006-11-14T18:10:00.000-08:00Several people here are essentially arguing that t...Several people here are essentially arguing that the process isn't random. That's true but it's also true that an applicant may not be the best judge of his or her own chances, so treating admissions rates as probabilities isn't a bad idea. I know several writing teachers who give some version of this advice to all of their students. Even if you're really good, you should know that some writers who are now highly respected were rejected from almost every program they applied to.<BR/><BR/>If you're loooking for a "magic number" you want to start with admission rates, since they're what ultimately matter. Iowa is big, but it gets more applications than, say UVA -- though not proportionally more. If for argument's sake you assume an average admission rate of 5% for small programs (say < 10 in your genre) and an average admission rate of 10% for big programs, then you get the following numbers:<BR/><BR/>If you're applying to 8 schools, going for 6 big programs and 2 small ones will give you a 52% chance of getting in somewhere. Going for 8 big programs will give you a 57% chance, 8 small programs gill five you a 34% chance, and a 4/4 split will give you a 47% chance.<BR/><BR/>If you're applying to 12 schools, you cross the 50% mark at just 2 big programs (which gives you a 52% chance of acceptance). Increasing the number of big programs to 4 raises the odds to 56%, and a 6/6 split gives you a 61% chance.<BR/><BR/>What does all that mean? Well, first off it means that your chances are increased a bit more by applying to a higher number of programs than by applying to bigger ones. If you assume an average small-program size of, say 8 stundets, and an average big-program size of 16 students, then in both scenarios the 50% threshold is crossed right around 110 total spots. I don't read too much into that -- it's something of a coincidence, but yeah, I guess that's my nomination for the magic number: 110. Yup, good old 110. Never fails you.<BR/><BR/>Okay, so take all of this with a shaker-full of salt. I really don't know how admission rates vary among most programs. And of course the admission process isn't completely random -- if it were, the chances of getting into even 2 of 12 school would be prohibitively small, on the order of 2%-7%, and no one would ever get into 4 or 5 schools. But you could probably do worse than to apply to upwards of 100 spots. Maybe even 110.<BR/><BR/>Oh, right, and the admissions rates I used are definitely too low for poetry programs, so if you're a poet you can probably lower your magic number by a lot. The same calculations with doubled rates yield a magic number somewhere between 50 and 55. So let's say 53. I always thought 53 was sort of a poetic number.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14282835416410968991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15642985.post-1163542400325062572006-11-14T14:13:00.000-08:002006-11-14T14:13:00.000-08:00Yes, let's be clear -- there's only one letter wri...Yes, let's be clear -- there's only one letter written, the ol' "To Whom It May Concern" approach.<BR/><BR/>The committee understands; they write those letters, as well.<BR/><BR/>8-12 programs is a good amount, I suppose. Costs you extra money, though. If the writing sample shows promise, the statement of purpose doesn't reveal you to be a complete jerk or creepy freak, and your GRE/GPA doesn't suggest you're someone to worry about, you'll get into more than one program. <BR/><BR/>I applied to seven programs and was accepted into every program that allowed my application to go forward (two schools never received my GRE scores, so I was in limbo).<BR/><BR/>Write a really good story, essay, or set of poems. Let the chips fall.Andrew Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03553122325923256769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15642985.post-1163516016038905312006-11-14T06:53:00.000-08:002006-11-14T06:53:00.000-08:00mfa applicant,I worried about this when I started ...mfa applicant,<BR/><BR/>I worried about this when I started the process. None of my three recommenders batted an eye, though. One even said they had been writing recs for a long time and 11 wasn't out of the ordinary.<BR/><BR/>I am glad I asked the first week of September. Realizing how much I was asking from them, I decided to give them three months to do it. The time crunch may be a factor in one of your recommenders drawing the line at five.Flynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13356732694910446031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15642985.post-1163486596069229122006-11-13T22:43:00.000-08:002006-11-13T22:43:00.000-08:00I like the idea of improving my chances of accepta...I like the idea of improving my chances of acceptance to a program by following the 8 to 12 applications suggestion. But here's a problem I've encountered:<BR/><BR/>How do you ask your recommenders to write that many letters? Even if the recommenders cut-and-paste a single letter's content into letters for each school, it's still a lot of work. And then there are the recommendation forms most schools want.<BR/><BR/>I asked one of my recommenders about this. I was told flatly to limit it to no more than 5. <BR/><BR/>Isn't it an enormous imposition on my recommenders? (Plus, I don't have a lot of people to ask so I can spread it around). Do I just cut down my list and pray the odds go my way, risking losing a whole year if they don't?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com