Thursday, March 25, 2010

Mailbag, Thursday, March 25, 2010 - plus, gosh-darn-it, some actual content!

Hi Everyone,

The new content posting has been pretty quiet around here as I seem to be one of the only people updating the blog these days, what with Tom and Seth busy writing and all, and I have been distracted myself -- with writing, teaching, editing, etc. Never fear. I'll continue to throw up new mailbags, and though the blog tends to quiet down over the summer, there will be semi-regular new posts with relevant MFA related content, so be sure to check back, no matter your status heading into the fall.

For now I have a grab-bag of links for you, and some questions I want to throw out there, and a few thoughts.

The eminently sane Vince Gotera (whose personal statement advice has already proved helpful to many an MFA applicant) has advice about how to handle acceptances, rejections, and (maybe most importantly) waitlists. Sure, this is from 2006, but I think it still stands.

Gotera suggests that if you end up with rejections, you should try and figure out why. The new incarnation of ALC, known as Driftless House (and which seems to be ALC minus Seth) is offering a service to help you do just that. You give them ten pages of fiction, or five of poetry, plus your list of schools, plus $90, and in return you'll get "in-line notes and an evaluation letter." That's nine or eighteen bucks a page! Just sayin'. (I work for less than that, if you are interested...)

This brings me to some questions: If you didn't get accepted, will you be reapplying next year? And what, if anything, do you think you gained from going through the process this time around?

For what it's worth, I always tell my MFA application students and clients that they should think of an MFA as a five or six year process: one or two years to apply, two or three years in the program, and a year to adjust afterward. And that's a minimum, in my opinion.

Also for what it's worth: last year I worked with someone going through her fourth year of applications. She'd been waitlisted before, but never had any full offers. After polishing up her stories and statements she went at it again and was accepted, in fiction, at multiple top schools, including Hollins, Brooklyn, and UNCW [Updated - it was actually UNCG, my mistake.] I can't take much credit on that one -- she did so well because she didn't give up, and used the time in between applications to workshop, hone her craft, and improve her stories. By the time I met her she was already in good shape and just needed guidance on statements and some final developmental feedback. But it goes to show that tenacity pays, both for MFA applications and in your future writing lives. Sometimes the ones who make it are the ones who don't give up.

***end pep talk***

More links: many MFA programs have really terrible websites -- any applicant knows this. But how many have blogs? NMSU does, but I'm not sure of any others. Can we crowdsource this one? Post your links to official (or, I guess, unofficial) MFA blogs in the comments.

Current NMSU student Carrie Murphy also emailed me to let me know about her blog, Master of Fine Eats. "Thought this might be of interest to the MFA blog readers," she wrote, "many of whom are already (if not about to be) poor graduate students."

Last thought: one commentator was lamenting over what to tell your recommenders if you don't have the outcome you were looking for. I say (as a fairly prolific recommendation writer myself) just tell them straight. They won't hold it against you one little bit, and most will be happy to get an update, no matter the results. I sometimes don't hear anything from the people I write recs for -- and I always wish I did.

For all this post's focus on possible less-than-desirable results, the acceptance season is not yet over, and there are still more happy "yay, I've been accepted" comments to come. So don't give up the good fight yet, people!

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Lauren said...

Screw these life-changing MFA decisions. The REAL question is this: Why didn't Woon go running today?

I did go running in the metroparks today :)

Lauren said...

@koru,

Don't leave us hanging! Where did you end up?

Emily said...

@Woon,

fo sho -

unrelatedly, want to start not nice rumors about gainesville?

koru said...

@Lauren ...

I need to wait a day to tell y'all ... I just think it's polite to make sure I contact all the programs I had not already declined before publicly announcing where I'm going.

Sorry, I'm one for protocol, or at least as I imagine it. I'll tell y'all tomorrow I promise. :D Not trying to be coy or play or anything. Just trying to get all my emails to programmes out first. :D

Andrea said...

When I was little I wanted to be April O'Neil.

Come on, koru, we're all dying to know!

Woon said...

@koru - Ringling Bros's stipend and trapeze faculty must be incredible. Congrats!

Woon said...

@Emily - not yet on the nasty Gainesville rumors. I'm still hoping for one of them to flake out. I've got a voodoo doll of Emma that I'm working over. mwahahaha...

Emily said...

i har thars gators kin shimmy up drainpipes..

Woon said...

@Emily - be nice, now.

Leslie said...

OH, sheesh am I old. when my daughter was little, she wanted to be April O/Neill. Well, actually, I think she wanted to be a Ninja Turtle. Leonardo, if I remember right.

Leslie said...

^O'Neill.

Woon said...

I had to Wiki "April O'Neill." I was thinking: are they thinking of Tatum O'Neal?

Emily said...

http://floridanature.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/gator.jpg

Woon said...

@Emily - Where are you headed this fall?

kaybay said...

Two words for those wanting to Gator-hate (it's a passion for me, being an alum of an SEC rival :P) - TIM TEBOW. Worst of all, UF graduated him! Gasp! Who wants to be a part of that travesty, anyway. Oh wait, I do...

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Summer said...

As an FSU graduate, I will gladly participate in the Gainesville Bash. What school uses orange and blue as their colors anyway?

kaybay said...

Oh, and I am also one who has never smoked anything except a sausage and a salmon. It's funny too, because my stories can be weird. I guess I'm just a freak! :D

Emily said...

Not sure but I have a lean now toward Maryland. DC is heaven for nerds, and there's always weird shit going down somewhere. And I didn't know it when I applied but you can take classes at the private schools in town (Georgetown, American, the Corcoran etc.) at no charge if you're enrolled at MD. I'm itching to take some painting and classics courses so I could see this working out well. It sounds a little high-minded, but I look at MFA years as renaissance years - I plan to heap on the brain food while it's cheap.

And you? Which school will win Woon's heart?

kaybay said...

Ummmm, Auburn does, hello! War eagle :P Except we use deeper hues, so yeah, take that pastel orange and blue! Sissies... Just kidding.

My students and I were having an FSU love-fest today in class and a good ole fashion Gator bash. Some of my best students are totally turned off by the competitive atmosphere and distant research-frenzied professors there and are really interesting in FSU, which they felt seemed more down to earth and more student-centered. Now, this is undergrad, so it means nothing to us. I am totally infatuated with UF's MFA program. But, in terms of comparing schools overall, I get a better vibe from FSU. And the campus is prettier. And no sorority girls dressed in cut-off shirts with hand-painted Tim "Superman" Tebow "S'" on their shirts, so that's good. :)

M.B. Wells said...

As an alum of an SEC school, I'll also join in on the Gator hate. :)

kaybay said...

Where, M.B. Wells??

koru said...

@Summer,

Orange and blue are also the colours of the UVA Cavaliers. :D

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burlaper said...

Count me in as another poet who has never smoked pot or done drugs. I've also never been drunk. Woot!

Also in the woot department, I got word from West Virginia today that they are now offering me funding. Decisions, decisions!

Mr. Hemlock said...

Congrats M.Swann!

Do you think you'll be going to Montana?

M.B. Wells said...

@ kaybay

Vanderbilt...and our baseball team (one of the only consistently decent sports teams we have) beat Florida in the last series game this week!

Oh, who am I kidding? We're just geeks and party animals. LOL

Woon said...

I don't hate Tim Tebow enough to Gator-bash. However, feel free to take on the Irish of Notre Dame. charlie weiss...ugh.

Woon said...

Time for a siesta, a luxury I won't enjoy for the next three years with TA-ships and 600-pg 19th century fiction to annotate. But at least I'll be wearing Keen shoes in the library.

Leslie said...

Woon--that's because you, like me, as I recall, are a Wolverine. We are programmed to hate ND.

Leslie said...

And don't get me started on Ohio State. They could fully fund me to their MFA program and I'd still have to pause....I mean, Buckeyes???

kaybay said...

@M.B. Wells - Cool :) I got nothin' against Vandy, except that they rejected me this year ;)

@Woon - Weiss may be a little inept, but Kelly is kind of a dick. He didn't represent himself well in Cincy's bowl game last year. He humiliated a rookie kicker on TV :(

burlaper said...

Oh no - don't talk smack about OSU. Have you had the candy buckeyes???

Jasmine Sawers said...

My friend sent me those chocolate buckeyes once. Then I spent the night in a happy sugar coma.

M.B. Wells said...

My ex is a HUGE Michigan fan. When we would come from our football games (suck!) we would proceed to watch the Michigan game. Don't get me started on the event that was Michigan-Ohio State.


@ kaybay

My mom wanted me to apply to Vandy so badly. In hindsight, I'm glad I defied her; while the faculty is awesome (!), I felt it would have merely been an extension of my undergrad degree. That and I would have been sick to my stomach with the waiting for three months.

To those going, you're going to have a ball! :)

M.B. Wells said...

And kaybay,

I'm definitely rooting for you. I hope you know that! :)

kaybay said...

Thanks, MB Wells :) I forgot where you got accepted, sorry!! Where do you plan on heading off to next Fall?

M.B. Wells said...

I'm headed to Columbia College Chicago for fiction.

Pema D said...

after flailing around in decision swamp, i'm ready to sign up, chill out, turn down spots, and help move things along for waitlisters. bye bye blog and bloggers, it's been real. thanks for the commiseration and good company. hope things work out for everyone.

for seth: my list, in CNF:

accepted:
Wyoming (full funding, TAship, I'M GOING!)
George Mason
Montana

waitlisted:
New Mexico
UNCW

rejected:
Iowa
Arizona

never to be heard from again, probably:
Hollins (btw, WTF? we pay them good money to review our applications and they could give a damn)

oh and ps on the teenage mutant ninja turtles...april was cool and all, but remember erma?

Anonymous said...

Anyone out there in blog land ever hear from NC State in poetry?

Andrea said...

Congrats on your decision Pema D!

Jaaaa-young teachuh said...

Did anyone apply to Summer Literary Seminar? http://www.sumlitsem.org/ If so, did anyone get funding/is planning on going?

Mike said...

...i've only posted on here once before (i feel a need to explain that because the commitment level from the rest of you bloggers is pretty darn high it seems and I feel like a slacker just coming on to seek advice, but anyway...)

does anyone know of any good, cheap workshops coming up in the northeast whose application deadlines haven't already passed?

I know jaa young teachuh just mentioned one but it seems like that deadline's probably already passed.

anyway, i'm sorry to seek advice and not really offer any...i didn't apply this year so i wouldn't be able to offer up much anyway but i am applying next year...already joined that network on ning for the mfa rejects workshop, and it seems like it's going to be really helpful.

if anyone's got any ideas about the workshops you actually attend, it would be much appreciated. thanks!

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Unknown said...

@Leslie

About the OSU-Michigan debate...at least if you went to the OSU MFA program you would be on the side that wins all the games...how many years has it been?

BOOM.

Unknown said...

On the debate of poets with clean drug, smoking, alcohol records...

I can not join your inner-circle. I smoke all the time, and I am one for a beer or some scotch/whiskey. But I do not think that it truly helps your writing to be clean or an addict...it is just a personal choice across the board for anyone regardless of craft.

Seth Abramson said...

@all

Heaven help us: the national fiction MFA rankings are out.

S.

MFAguy said...

Hmm just got an offer of funding (via voicemail) from NC State. Weird, I already told them I accepted elsewhere! Oh well, it's nice to know I guess.

Jason R Jimenez said...

Seth, re: rankings, I noticed that CCA is not a signatory to the CSGR. Does it matter that CCA doesn't require a commitment until May 1st? Just wondering.

Summer said...

@kaybay - FSU does have a more compact campus and better vibe than UF. You can walk pretty much anywhere on campus in 20 minutes unless you work at the mag lab/innovation park.

From personal experience, I would say FSU does have an involved and serious faculty. Even as an undergrad I was able to see faculty pretty often, and that goes for the many programs, not just creative writing.

However, Gainesville has better food and much higher-profile cultural events surrounding the university. It pains me to say it, but it's true. Also the Gators actually win at football.

CJoe said...

Just wanted to say I finalized my decision as well.

Accepted:

Arizona State (Attending, FF)
Arizona (FF)
Davis (FF)
USF (Hardly no F)
SFSU
San Jose State

Waitlist:

Fresno State

Rejected:

Irvine
Oregon

No Word (note to self: stop payment on two $70 checks):

UNLV
SDSU

Seth: Thanks a lot. It sucks you catch any flak at all, especially here, on your own site, where capable people choose to come of their own accord. I found the service, and the community, invaluable and comforting.

ASU attendees: shoot me a note! I don't know if any of you have posted here, but I'd love to hear from you before we get out there. I just visited campus the first half of this week, met the current students and saw their living arrangements, met the faculty, sat in on some grad classes, took a driving tour of Phoenix and witnessed one of the comp classes we'll be teaching next year, among other things. I'm excited to be there and to meet you all. We're going someplace good.

Anonymous said...

Dear LSU,

I got whatchu want. I got whatchu need! Damn waitlist.

many many birdies said...

OK, I should probably know this by now, but how are MFA rankings determined again? It looks like people vote, but *who* votes? And where do they vote? Also, I assume that the people voting are people who have gotten their MFAs - so presumably they've been to one program - so how do they vote on a variety of programs?

I feel certain this was explained at some earlier time when I wasn't paying attention, but if someone wouldn't mind explaining it again, I'd appreciate it.

Henry said...

Hey MFA Guy- congrats (sort of). I'm on NC State's wait list too. Send them right on down the list- woo hoo!

Lucas said...

Don't know if I'm too late for Seth's data, but (fiction):

Michener (rejected)
Vanderbilt (rejected)
UNCG (Accepted, but funding is still up in the air)
UW-Madison (Waitlisted)

koru said...

@Woon,

The Ringling Brothers stipend isn't the largest, but it comes with free popcorn and cotton candy and elephant rides. So things even out.



@ everyone else,

I've heard back from the folks I contacted last night, so now I feel comfortable saying publicly I've accepted the offer from Ohio State. It just had that elusive "right fit" feel. :-)

Not an easy decision, but several waitlisters will now be getting some great offers coming their ways. Can honestly say, each place that admitted me I would have loved to go to.

Laura said...

yayyy koru! Congratulations on deciding!

Seth Abramson said...

Megan,

Answer and explanation is here.

S.

Anonymous said...

@koru

Congrats on the Ohio State acceptance. Great program. I'm on the waitlist there (though it looks doubtful that I'll get in).

Just out of curiosity...what were the other schools that you were accepted or waitlisted at???

Chelsea said...

@all

Congrats on the incoming good news!! Esp for those waitlisters who finally got the good news they so deserve!

In that spirit, I wanted to let ya'll know I've contacted Rutgers-Camden and Emerson College and declined their offers. Hope this means good things for anyone waiting! Emerson did not offer any funding but still a fabulous program!

Woon said...

re. Freshmen Comp

I will have to teach Freshmen Comp as a TA. Does anyone have any advice on whether MWF or TR schedule works best? Yes, I know MWF sessions are shorter and therefore less taxing, but there are more classes to teach in the week. TR classes are longer, but there are less classes to teach. If you have any further insight, based on your experiences, I'd love to hear them.

Austin said...

@ Chelsea,

Did you accept UNCG?

@ Woon

Where are you going to school?

Woon said...

@Austin - still up in the air. Could be any one of three possibles.

Austin said...

@ Woon,

What are these three possibilities?

Seth Abramson said...

@Austin

Trying to pin Woon down on his application list is like trying to build a snowman in late June.

@Woon

If you choose MWF over TR you are crazy. Familiar with the four-day weekend?

S.

Chelsea said...

@Austin

Yes [:

Funding, is as always, a strange beast.

How about you? Made any decisions?

Julia said...

@ Woon

I suppose it depends on the type and size of the comp class you'd be teaching, but in general I'd say a TR schedule is preferable.

In shorter classes by the time you get momentum, the period is over and discussions get cut off, etc. Plus any class (I'd say especially freshman comp) begins each day with a certain amount of shuffling, turning in of assignments, what have you. Say this takes about 10 minutes. For TR, you only lose 20 minutes a week. For MWF, you lose 30.

In my experience, MWF is good for big lecture classes and not much else.

Just my two cents!

Julia said...

@ Chelsea

Does that mean you're still waiting on funding? Brave soul!

Woon said...

@Seth - I hear you on the 4-day weekend. However, I plan to have no social life and friends. I'm way past that stage in my life and am now approaching a higher level of existence.

Woon said...

@Julia - thanks for the info! Please say more.

Austin said...

@ Chelsea,

I'm sure you read Ena's post about UNCG's disengenuous "acceptance" of me, but I'll recap because it was such bullshit. They called me on March 22nd, accepted me, and told me that they were then forwarding my paperwork to the Graduate School for an official acceptance, and that I should expect a letter of acceptance in the mail in 4-6 days. 3 weeks later, when I had still not received said letter, I emailed Jim Clark who told me that the "brakes had been put on all admissions until more funding could be come up with" and, basically, that he hadn't forwarded my accepted application to the graduate school despite his telling me so. He then encouraged me to take some of my other offers and has not replied to any further emails.

So, no, I don't really know where I'm going. Either Maryland or Houston (if I can get off UH's waitlist before the 15th).

Austin said...

@ Woon,

Which three schools.

@ Seth,

I'm building that goddamned snow man!

Courtney said...

CJoe--email me!
I finished up my visit last week--can't wait to get there!

fixittuesday@yahoo.com

Chelsea said...

@Austin

I had read that post. I'm sorry to hear it went down that way! Jim had told me when we spoke last that there was an indeed a hold on some acceptances. I do think it could've been handled much smoother. Though the impression I got from Jim was that they had no reason to think that their recommendations would get 86'ed or at least thrown into purgatory. Not making excuses. Just an opinion. It really is too bad such a well regarded program has left such a bad taste in some people's mouths.

I hope either UNCG pulls through for ya or you get even better news from another program. GL!!


@Julia

Brave/Deluded/Irrational/Optimistic
;D

herglands said...

@ teetotalers

Wow, I'm a major screw-up. Maybe I will be able to tell people that an internet forum inspired me to go STRAIGHTEDGE.

Austin said...

@ Chelsea

The way Jim explained it to me, the hold was not in the graduate office. The hold was in the departmental office... In the sense that he never recommended me for acceptance to the graduate school.

The bitch of it is that I understand why he did it. I just think that information like that would be something they could share with me... Something that I shouldn't have to find out when the financial aid office sends me an email denying my FAFSA because I've not been accepted into the school.

Austin said...

@ Chelsea,

Also, for your benefit, Jim let me know that those who had actually been recommended for acceptance to the grad school had some funding coming to them. That's why they didn't recommend me... because they thought it "wouldn't be fair to me to be accepted without funding." I'm kinda over UNCG.

MFAguy said...

Woon, I've taught both schedules. TR is so much better. You'll appreciate it when you have a 4 day break between teaching instead of 2.

MFAguy said...

Henry, Will do. I will try to call them today.

Coughka said...

Mr. Hemlock,

As rejections came in for me this year, I kept shaking my head and saying, "Not like this, not like this." I feel like a spoilt sport with two acceptances (no funding yet, however) and an unofficial spot on the unofficial Syracuse wait-list, but I am between a pickle and a hard place (huh?).

I want to go to school this Fall, and Missoula sounds lovely, but I'm warming (learned helplessnessing?) to the idea of applying a third time (risky) and (maybe) getting funding.

I see all these whippersnappers applying the first time round and getting in at the age of 21, and, yes, it makes me feel a little arrested (I'm a springy 97 myself haha), but I'm OK with it for the most part. There's so much to do in a year! We can do it all!

laura said...

At this point I am just angry with the programs who haven't notified yet. I have three programs that I still have not heard from. Rawr.

Kevin said...

And I'm angry with UNCG (ditto your rawr). Way to send me an e-mail in February saying you like my writing sample then never contacting me again.

morgan said...

I thought this might be helpful for those of you still waiting on uncg. This is a post from the recruitment blog (which can be found here: http://mfagreensboro.blogspot.com/2009/11/2010-recruitment-forum.html)


"A Near-Final Recruitment Update

Although we make no bones about having the slowest recruitment process out there, it's been an usually slow year here in Greensboro. Part of this has to do with the number of really great applications we've received, and part of it has to do with the exorbitant amount of time Jim Clark is having to spend trying to locate, finesse, and finagle additional assistantships for incoming students.

I'm sure that Jim has told those of you he's talked to (and I agree), it's rarely worth it for someone to pay out-of-state tuition to get an M.F.A. The return is rarely there.

The bottom line is, we expect a student to come to a studio program like ours to improve their writing--but the payback for a young writer is not often in $$$.

Jim Clark and I have been doing our best to respond to everyone's email and phone calls but, honestly, there have been more status update requests than we have been able to handle.

Here's where Greensboro is as of today:

The committee's goal is to have the majority of their recommendations to the Graduate School by Friday with the rest to follow on Monday.

Given the chaos of our files right now--many of them are in the conference room where the committee meets--the fastest way to get an update is through the online application system with The Graduate School: http://www.uncg.edu/grs/prospective/appstat.html

Everyone will get official letters from The Graduate School and, of course, Jim and I will continue to answer as many emails and phone calls as we can.

- terry"

Lauren said...

@Woon regarding teaching T/TH vs. M/W/F:

My preference will totally be for T/TH. Others have mentioned reasons I share (You get more done in a longer session, less time wasted at beginnings/end of class, the four-day weekend!) -- But I'd also add these reasons:

1. You have to make fewer lesson plans.

2. Many students will miss Friday and Monday classes because they went home over the weekend. Or because they're hungover. Or because they started the weekend on Thursday night. (Thursday was my favorite night to go out and get super drunk when I was an undergrad.) So even if YOU do not need the 'four-day weekend' -- your students might.

3. Many universities are heading in the "no class on Fridays" direction -- with all classes being scheduled M/W or T/TH.

Also, most materials I've read about teaching Freshman Comp seem to directly say T/TH is just better.

LAswede said...

woon
dude, it's all the same...i've been doing this for four years, and honestly it all blends together...you still have the same stuff to grade and in the end, that's all that really matters as far as time is concerned. if you're only teaching one or possibly two classes, it really doesn't matter, unless you get stuck with a night class, in which case you're looking (probably) at TR...and those suck ass. the biggest time sucker is, as i stated, grading, but there's a trick...don't write a ton of notes all over the paper...grade those bitches fast, fast, fast...i've seen some people claim to spend 20/30 minutes per paper...that's just plain insane to me...if you get it down to 5/7 minutes per 4 pager, you in bidness mang and the time won't be a problem at all.

Austin said...

@ Woon

What three schools are you considering?

Chelsea said...

@UNCG

Lots of heat boiling in this pot, for sure! I spoke with Jim earlier today. Funding, not surprisingly, unverified. The good thing about Jim is that, well, he's straight with you. He told me flat out that I really should be holding onto other offers I'm still interested in. That, like Terry on the blog, he doesn't think students should be paying beaucoup $$ to get an MFA. We all get that. He said, for now, the department is shooting to have completed offers, or at least word on funding, for April 15 (sigh).

The office certainly sounds strained. I'm sorry for all those who were effectively duped by a recommendation for acceptance w/o a formal acceptance. That's freggin rotten. I hope, in the end, you guys get the word you've been waiting for.

I myself have got some thinking to do. Jim reiterated the burden of loans and how the MFA is oftentimes a lateral move, career wise. I know where I want to be. And goddamn, bring on the hellish high waters, cause I want to be there. It's just unnerving to think it's all hangin in the balance of a well intentioned offer of money.

In happy news: it's nearly friday! And people are still getting acceptances, hell yeah! Congrats to all

Andrea said...

@ Woon

I just want to second everything that's been said about T/R vs M/W/F teaching schedule. Two days a week are totally preferable.

I'm personally more concerned about the time of day I'll be assigned, and am hoping for anything but early morning or nighttime. I'm pretty incoherent at 8 in the morning, and my students will probably be less so. Of course, if needed, I'll adjust, but it won't be fun. At the night classes I took, most people just wanted to hurry up and go home.

Anonymous said...

@Woon

I've taught both (as well as MW) and they both have their benefits.

Obviously, you have more lesson-planning to do on MWF; but I personally think that the 50 minute classes I've taught have been much more productive.

The good thing about TR is that you have less lesson-planning; but the bad thing about the TR class is that, although the class period is longer, it's oftentimes not as productive. Most students seem to start zoning out after about 50-60 minutes (so the last 15 minutes is typically blah in terms of participation).

Personally, I like MWF more because it's tighter and more efficient. But lots of people like TR more. Depends on your personality, I guess. I actually think that time of day matters more than MWF vs. TR. My morning classes have, without exception, been better than my afternoon/night classes. Just a different brand of student, I guess.

As far as grading papers, it's the worst part about teaching. And I agree with LASwede that you shouldn't procrastinate with grading papers -- though I think the optimal time per paper (at least for me) is about 10-15 minutes per.

LAswede said...

i seriously just graded a 102 paper, with a rubric mind you, that got a -4. that's NEGATIVE 4. fuck me running. for all of you just getting into this teaching game, get ready for some crazy papers.

LAswede said...

btw, although i believe i've posted it before, i'm teaching 6 comp. classes this semester along with an american lit. i came home for spring break this week with 32 tests to grade and 105 papers...if you're not fast with this grading business, you're looking at weeks of grading on just these assignments. i started last friday and will be wrapping it up in about a couple of hours. it's superhecticwannagetliquoredup hour!

LAswede said...

...sorry...i'm not trying to scare anyone away from this line of work or anything!

Woon said...

@LASwede - why so many classes? Where are you? Are you an MA student? What's your favorite color? Are you doing it for extra $$$? Which MFA program will you be attending? I hate LA, don't you? Have any students tried to seduce you?

Woon said...

It's 11:51 AM. I'm going to AAA to get some maps of my potential future college towns. (May have to just print off Google maps for the detail) Run 4 miles. Lunch at Fresh Choice. I was planning on eating cha-chang-myun (noodles w/ black bean sauce) at a Chinese-Korean restaurant, but now, I feel like salads and beans. Did you know there's a lot of fiber in beans?

Thanks everyone for your TA feedback. Post more on the MWF vs. TR debate if you can.

LAswede said...

woon
why so many classes? i'm a glutton for punishment, and i need to finish my half sleeves on my arms.

Where are you? delta community college, monroe, louisiana

Are you an MA student? nope. already got that.

What's your favorite color? whatever color kaybay's eyes are!!

Are you doing it for extra $$$? hell yes

Which MFA program will you be attending? maybe none, maybe one

I hate LA, don't you? if you're talking about los angeles, yes. if you're talking about louisiana, yes.

Have any students tried to seduce you? daily

Julia said...

@LAswede

Half sleeves? Really? Do tell! (Or show?)

Rabbit Angstrom said...

@Woon

Go with a late morning TR schedule.

Generally speaking, try to avoid the early mornings, the post-lunch dip period, the grouchy late afternoon times, the catatonic Mondays, and the hungover Fridays. Thursday evenings are also bad. The entire spring semester is pretty suspect, too, if, as is normally the case, the course is mandatory.

Still, though: odds are that a TR that meets at 11:00 a.m. in the fall semester will be a truly rewarding and pleasant teaching experience, seriously.

LAswede said...

okay. on my right arm, on the outside from elbow to upper shoulder, i have a giant scroll that has the "life is but a walking..." lines from macbeth. this summer, on the inside, i'm getting a desertscape with the last six or seven lines from blood meridian written over it.
and on the left arm, i'm continuing with my norse mythology. (i'm swedish, not a nazi!!) i have odin's raven's and wolves with a dusk/dawn sky overhead and two suns. this summer i'm getting a wood carving of jormungandr, the underworld serpent. i'm superjuiced!!
and maybe, i'll also get close to finishing my half sleeves of my legs as well, but that's probably not happening just yet.

LAswede said...

oh, not my half sleeves of my legs...that's weird. ON my legs...sorry, this grading is frying my melon!

Unknown said...

Tattoos are okay. It depends. once i had a huge crush on this guy who had nice sleeves, but then he became a communist and got the face of a gypsy tattooed on his chest. it's hard to say what ruined it for me more, the gypsy tatt or the communist thing.

in other news, i just saw that the governor of virginia has made our debate over what to call april meaningless. He has solved the problem by declaring April "Confederate History Month." um, a silver lining in not being accepted at UVA?

Julia said...

@LAswede

Oh, those are awesome sleeve concepts. I'm totally jealous.

And congratulations on nearing the end of grading! It's sounds like you've earned a drink or twenty.

LAswede said...

thanks julia!
and yes, i will be at the pub later fo sho. my tally will be 60 hours of grading for the last 6 days. BRU-TAL!

Leslie said...

Finally got my rejection from Rutgers-Newark (by online status) and, just to add to the fun, a story rejection from a lit journal to.

The fun never stops.

Leslie said...

^too.

Maybe that's why the rejections. =(

Alex said...

@koru

Were you at the OSU Open House last weekend? Did I meet you?? I'm quite curious to know who from the Open House decided to accept.

I'm still waiting to hear about funding from UWashington before I make my final decision. It'll be either Washington or Ohio State for me, though. That Open House was masterfully convincing.

Henry said...

Thanks MFA Guy, the suspense is killing me!
Good luck at V Tech!

Andrea said...

@ Leslie

So sorry to hear about the rejection. I hope you come up with a killer Plan B. Any ideas?

MFAguy said...

Henry, I emailed them today. So, hopefully, soon the offer will go back out to the next person. Hope you catch a break!

bbartok said...

@Jaaaa-young teachuh

I was notified I was a finalist for SLS (fiction), which was nice to hear, since I am probably not getting into any of the 18 schools I applied to this year. They knock off 25% but it's still too steep for me (though Montreal would be more manageable than Kenya.) I would love to go some year, though.

Something that amuses me: I'm still waiting on Purdue, which has told me nothing, and every time I start searching these pages for "Purdue" the word "purgatory" comes up once I get the first three letters in. Ha.

Henry said...

This seemed really appropriate considering all the roads and challenges ahead.

http://boasas.com/?c=1066

Good luck to everybody!!!

Jaaaa-young teachuh said...

@bbartok

25% is such a paltry sum. My friend got that too though the cynical part of her wondered if that is sent to everyone to encourage attendance...

Kenya sounds so fun! I wanted to tag along with her just for the safari!

Leslie said...

Digapony--Thanks, still working on the Killer Plan B. We (husband who's my biggest fan and I) are trying to work out if its feasible for me to cut back to part-time work adjuncting, rather than the full-time fairly time-consuming job I have. then, write, write, write. Am looking into onlin workshops, other ways to get feed back.

Might do round two next year. Relocation is not an option, so maybe look into low res. But they tend to be quite a bit of money, necessitating keeping full-time job and using up all vacation time for residencies. I'll be 52 in June; I may not have the stomach for all this after all.

I like the idea of working on my own--what I want more than anything is time.

red said...

One of the professors who wrote a recommendation for me just sent me an email wanting to know how my plans are shaping up... how do I tell him that they're not, and that I might be doing this all over again next year? It's kind of humiliating.

Woon said...

@red - no matter what, do not intimate or otherwise suggest that it was his fault.

Julia said...

@red

I was in a similar situation last year so I understand how you feel. Generally I think that if a professor cares enough to follow up (and write the rec in the first place!), they'll be nothing but supportive if you tell them it didn't go so well. They know it's a lousy process. :)

Anonymous said...

@everyone

Is it possible to defer admission to one program and accept the offer of another?

I’m leaning towards deferring TNS and accepting CCNY’s offer late in the summer, that is if I snatch a job in NYC or North Jersey after graduation. If CCNY doesn't work out, I could attend TNS next year.

This is all about funding. CCNY offers nothing but loans, but the loan debt in less than New School's. And for some reason, I'm still skeptical about CCNY. I mean, should I attend a program simply because it's cheaper?

Any opinions on this plan are more than welcomed.

red said...

Thanks, Woon.

I'm pretty sure it was my fault, so no worries there.

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koru said...

@Old Poet: I've officially turned down spots at Oregon, Johns Hopkins, North Texas, Houston, Arkansas, Hollins, and Naropa. As I said, all amazing programmes. I had declined waitlist spots a ways back as I heard of them.

@ Alex, yes you met me at the open house. :-)

@red, it was a year with a record number of applicants ... no shame at all in not getting in to a place you're not going to go. Just let the professor know how things happened, and ask if they have thoughts or ideas for places to apply next year (if it's a CW faculty person). and good luck. xx

Mr. Hemlock said...

@M.Swann

I would apply next year. Waitlisted at Syracuse and accepted at Columbia and Montana makes you pretty close to your goal. Another year older perhaps, but at least not deeper in debt.

@LAswede

6 comp classes in one semester? Is that even possible? Have you contacted the Guinness Book yet? Those sleeves are well earned.

Alex said...

@koru

Hooray! I know you, based on that list. :)

If I end up at OSU, I am going to be so happy! So glad you decided to go there.

Mr. Hemlock said...

@ Red

I was in the same position last year. I had to tell my recommenders I bombed out. It's humiliating, but it's a humiliating business. My recommenders all seemed to understand and were more than willing to write me new recs for this year.

Woon said...

I wonder if James Franco is eating a burrito.

Woon said...

Another question for all you English Lit types:

Do you think MFA students need to take a course on Research Methods/Tools (immersive library and online database research techniques and tools) and bibliographic citations?

It's required for those beatnik MA types.

Rhizobium said...

@Woon - I know I have to take a research methods class. They unofficially call it Grad School 101 at Penn State.

AWP - I definitely just got a shot/shotglass for buying a book at Hobart. And free wine from Ironhorse. Hope everyone else here is having a fun time. There are so many offsite events this evening!

kaybay said...

LA Swede - BLUE :D

@anyone: I have a question for all you adjunct/full-time professor people. I teach 6 classes now as a full-time high school teacher. Do I work more or less than you? I'm just curious, I'm not trying to be judgmental or anything, I just plan on either adjuncting or teaching full-time with my MFA, so I'd kind of like to know. I just imagine that I work more as a high school teacher, considering all the extra paper work, parent communication, and day to day "busy work." True???

Jessa said...

@Woon

Depends on how dusty your research skills are. It might be useful as a refresher, but you can find all the citation info you need by buying an updated text or visiting the Purdue OWL site.

If you see yourself teaching comp. it might be a good idea, because many comp. courses teach research skills to first years. I have seen comp. courses that also teach APA & Chicago (never CSE) but most only focus on MLA.

I wouldn't take it, but that's because I'm very busy and important. :)

kaybay said...

Oh, and I forgot to say that I called FSU on Tuesday, for all who would like to know, and the lady told me that she couldn't imagine notifying everyone any later than Friday (tomorrow). If that's not true and I have wait (and hear this whole "we haven't even decided on our wait list" deal), I'm going to scream.

LAswede said...

@ kaybay
i just knew they are blue!!
and on the work front...i'd be willing to bet you teaching 6 high school classes is as much if not more than my teaching 6 comp. classes.

Jessa said...

@phillywriter & inkli_11

To put you back on the rollercoaster, Samrat acknowledged my withdrawal by email this morning... so maybe good news will reach you before Monday!

Woon said...

@Jessa - "dusty"? I didn't major in English Lit so I never took ANY literature research methods/tools and citation class.

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bbartok said...

@Jaaaa-young teachuh

I kind of pondered it being just a coupon, too, but that would imply some pretty bald lying on their part. Who knows, I guess, but yeah $1500 instead of $2000 - doesn't make that much of a difference when you factor in airfare and accommodations.

I'm afraid of wild animals so I wouldn't go to Kenya anyway. On the other hand, I can handle French-Canadians to an extent.

Jessa said...

@Woon

I did major in English Lit. and I never took a research course either. I conducted plenty of research during undergrad across multiple fields though.

I also have a job as a college writing tutor, so I work with many first year students that take a comp. course that requires research and MLA practice. I know about other forms of research documentation because I also work with students in social sciences, history, communications, and physical sciences that use APA, Chicago, & CSE. I have not seen many comp. classes taught with these formats, they focus on MLA because that is the standard for our field.

When I say research skills, I mean just that. The ability to find the information you want from credible sources using a university library, database system, the web, etc. If you know how to use these things, and can read a citation stylebook, you might not need a whole course on these skills.

If you're feeling unprepared for graduate level research in the field of literature, then by all means take the course.

Woon said...

@Jessa - I'm not afraid of research. (I did the law school thing, law review thing, know about Bluebook citation formats, etc.) Whether I'm feeling unprepared for graduate level research is not the point I'm trying to make. I'm just wondering if I'll even DO research in some of my classes. Is it possible to avoid these types of research-heavy classes during the course of my three years at an MFA program? If I had my choice, I'd purposely pick non-research classes and stick to writing classes. Otherwise, I'd have gone for an MA.

red said...

Thanks all, for the advice and encouragement regarding letters of recommendation!

With any luck, I will be here next year, sharing my successful second year stories with first year applicants!

MFAguy said...

@AWP peeps.

Hey, I'm not there. But if one of you sees at the bookfair the journal Arcadia, will you let me know. I'm still waiting for my copy!

Anonymous said...

@MFAguy
Hey I've been away awhile. Where did you end up accepting? And did your work get accepted for Arcadia? I totally submitted there. Not accepted, but still sweet to see it up here getting press. And I did not use the words "totally" or "sweet" in my sample. Damn. That was probably it.

MFAguy said...

Hey Abbie, I finally accepted at Vtech a couple of weeks ago! Still excited about it!

Yeah, I have a play in the journal. It's the first issue I believe.

Are you headed to Irvine?

Anonymous said...

@MFAguy
Congratulations on VTech! How exciting! Yes, I am headed to Irvine--and absolutely thrilled. It is Arcadia's first issue! Congrats on that, too! Geez. Good news poppin up everywhere. :) Best of luck to you and your writing future!

laura said...

Committed to Idaho. I'll be notifying my other acceptances tomorrow as well as my three programs who haven't made a peep yet.

frankish said...

Got a call today from FSU. One of the faculty left me a voicemail while I was in the air...flying back from Florida to LA. GRRRRRR. Would it have been possible to notify one day earlier than April 8? :P

Oh, well, I'll call tomorrow to find out the deal (if there's any funding, etc.). I do adore some folks on the faculty, including the person who called.

Right now, though, I figure it as a long shot and am weighing a tough decision between Houston and FIU.

Good luck to anyone still waiting!

Jessa said...

@Woon,
I said unprepared, not afraid, and did not at all mean to call you a scaredy cat. If you are already comfortable with research and citation work, and planning on avoiding as much research as possible, why would you even consider such a class? It's back to basics, and it's not required.

The amount of research in your lit courses is likely to be small, and I'd be willing to bet it's not enough to require a methods course. Ask current students who can elaborate on specific professors and courses. Absolutely you can avoid research courses, I just wouldn't recommend it.

Here's why: I took a seminar on Ulysses and was assigned a research paper on a single chapter. The format allowed me to call on the many, many critical works from academics to support what I found in the text. It required a lot of hours at the library, but I found it useful in both my reading of Joyce and my own writing. You can avoid research (and Joyce if you want), but it seems like an unnecessary limitation to me.

Writing courses are of course extremely valuable, but it’s not all that the MFA offers.

Woon said...

Avoid Joyce? Woo Hoo!!

Jessa said...

So I guess you will not be taking methods, or any course on Joyce, or any poetry...

So what courses (outside of workshops) are you excited about Woon?

Ananda said...

@Austin (and Seth?)
The answer you seek is CSU, ND, UF

Ananda said...

@ Zoulou --
Gone for a week, just got your note. Thanks for your kindness about my dorky haiku. I am pretty sure I will be applying next year. You? Are you fiction poetry or CNF? You are in Seattle, right? I'm in that greater area. Sucks to get turned down by a school with no funding when you live in state . . .

@Hullaballoo (I think)
Kafka says "Literature must *wound* you" -- hence all the death.
This is what I remind my students when they complain that everything we read is so depressing and contains so much death

Ananda said...

@Seth,
Before you say it, I know you know that. Can't help you much more -- uva, and wustl?

@Woon -- again, NOT a stalker -- just have mind for details -- not that you often supply many of substance. Still want to know if you work/what you do

nattyish said...

This one goes out to all the aspiring novelists:
http://catandgirl.com/?p=2427

It's called "Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction".

Ashley Brooke said...

Re: New national Rankings
I'm going to #117 and who the hell cares? I suspect that will change over time... Though I am a little curious about FAU's spot with only one vote when I've been communicating with another acceptee and at least two others mentioned on this blog applying to the program. Do the votes only count it someone formally posts their entire list? If so, I might have been the only one to vote. :)

How did I miss the conversations about pot and buckeyes? I'm from Ohio and they pretty much go together.

Re: Debt conversation from like 200 posts ago
Before I got my offer from FAU, I was very seriously considering taking an unfunded offer. I'm really glad that I didn't have to be put in that position because I might have made a stupid decision. I just really, really wanted to start a program in the fall (not to mention I really like said unfunded school). It was a pretty affordable school but the 3-year program would have set me back about $25k (plus the cost of living, which I assume I could have worked for) or a bit less if I went part time the first year. I can't believe I considered this because I think debt is stupid. I have always been anti-debt. I know too many people with credit cards that they will never be able to pay off (and they will spend their lives making minimum payments on stuff they don't remember buying), with cars and houses they can't afford, and I've always sworn I wouldn't live beyond my means. So I completely understand the desire to take an offer than isn't perfect, and I just might have done it... but if you're going to come out with significant debt, it might not be worth it. Debt gets real pretty quickly once you have to make the payments. blahblah this has been debated to death and you're obviously got to do what is right for you. But don't take an offer because you're afraid of next year. Or because you're bad at math. Or because you're impulsive. And that's really easy for me to say now that I don't have to do it...

Woon said...

@Ananda - re. msg to Austin (and Seth) - wrong set of three.

What do I do? I run.

@Jessa - There's a world beyond Joyce. I love Cheever, Ishiguro, McEwan, Atwood, Rushdie, Jhabvala, Powell, Welty, Paley, Dickens (love Dickens!), Greene, Roy, Wharton,Dostoyevsky, Woolf (only recently), Byatt, Twain, James, Mansfield, Oates, Munro (love her), Naipaul, Boyle (even though all his short stories are set in bars), Hardy, Moore (though she's a bad reader), Austen, Wilde, Jones, Dybeck, O'Brien, Ford, Leavitt, Banks, Barthelme, etc. In short, I love literature. Just don't want to have to deal with academic research papers during my MFA years, hence the MFA, not MA.

Woon said...

@frankish - I think you're a poet, right? I'm fiction and I considered FSU only because of Robert Olen Butler. I read his "From Where You Dream" book on craft. Interesting. I incorporate some of his suggestions into my daily writing ritual. All that stuff about taking a moment from yesterday and writing about it, then putting it away for two weeks before coming back to it.

Summer said...

@Woon - Bob Butler is an interesting guy. He is a lot less airy-fairy in person than his book might suggest. He just wants the damn students to realize that wanting things to death is the engine of literature.

His workshops (undergrad at least) are different from your usual idea of the workshop - he sits in front (no "circle jerk" for him) and harangues the students on the lack of literary yearning displayed in the 2-pagers presented that week. The students, generally speaking, couldn't comment. He would only let us go on to page 3 if we nailed down some yearning in the first 2 pages. Otherwise, we would have to present an entirely new 2-pager the next week. 2 people out of about 20 got to page 3 the semester I had his workshop.

He is definitely the most famous faculty member at FSU and acts like it. He travels a lot and lives in a far-away house in the country. The other faculty members are more accessible and in some ways better teachers. They all - and I mean all - know how to let the student discover a voice or a form on their own with appropriate nudging. However, I think a good diversity of teaching styles is present at this school and Butler fits in well with the others as a foil. The man definitely knows his stuff.

Jennifer said...

Re avoiding Joyce: No way I could have avoided Joyce in my program. I've had to read both Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist during my first year. I have avoided Ulysses so far, but I'm pretty sure I'll have to read it before my three year program is over.

Austin said...

@ Woon,

SO which three schools is it? I understand that we give you a lot more attention as a "mystery," but come on.

And also, if I understand correctly, you are an unemployed engineer with a JD? What the hell?

whynotbecause said...

@ Nathaniel-

Walter Benjamin is rolling over in his grave... from a giggle fit!!!!

Jessa said...

@Woon.

You should start a Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good. It should be at least 3 sizes too small.

I am also fond of the world beyond Joyce, and I have a long list of favorites too. I wasn't questioning your reading choices, or your investment in literature. You are pursuing an MFA, so clearly you must like books. I'm just sharing my thoughts on why restricting your experience to avoid courses with research elements might be a bad choice. They were very good for my writing.

Laura said...
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Laura said...

re: research etc.

I love literature but hate research papers, reading/writing literary criticism, etc. Just bores me out of my mind! I would much rather just read a piece of literature and have that full-immersion-reading experience that I love, and then think about it, talk about it, etc. But critical/research papers kind of suck the joy out of a book sometimes. (I'm an English major, so don't tell my professors. :P)

whynotbecause said...

re: research papers

When you came across application questions involving your research interests and experience, how did you handle them?

I have no idea what to say there. Read books? Write thoughts about them? That's basically the extent of it. Plus, I'm clueless as to what's expected of a typical research paper. Didn't do 'em for undergrad, and high school was 7(?!) years ago.

I know I could benefit from learning MLA style, and moreover from reading lit theory debates about subgenres and eras and historical blah blah blah... but what else am I missing?

Charles said...

More numbers for crunching:

Iowa - rejected
Wisconsin - rejected
Hunter - rejected
NYU - accepted
Brooklyn - accepted and attending

All in fiction

Jamie said...

2001: An MFA Odyssey.

Dun-duh, dun-duh, dun-duh!!!

frankish said...

@Summer - Thanks for the info. I have some questions about the FSU creative writing program and what it's like to be a student at FSU. Would you mind if I dropped you a line? My email is tota [at] thinktankfilms.com

Thanks!

Jamie said...

Lydia Davis/Jonathan Lethem reading podcast.

Jessa said...

@whynotbecause

That question is usually a generic one from the grad school that could apply to all incoming grad students in various fields. I think it is meant to be a place on the app where you can reflect on your grad school plans and what you want to study. I chose to talk about my writing interests there, not research in the other sense, although I am obviously a fan of that kind of research too.

I am going to a program that claims it is 75% studio courses and 25% literature courses, like most MFAs I think, so my response was about what I want to write.

Woon said...

@Jessa @Jennifer - I already read Joyce's Dubliners on my own. In fact, in some of my SOPs, I decried the Joycean epiphanic ending.

Woon said...

@Austin - there are so many things I could be with my engineering and law background and you chose to label me as "an unemployed engineer w/ a JD"? LOL! I could be:

1. a former engineer and now an attorney;
2. an employed engineer w/ a JD;
3. a consultant on technology matters;
4. CEO of my own company;
5. a former engineer and unemployed attorney;
6. an attorney (who happen to have an engineering degree, but never worked as an engineer);
7. a patent attorney who integrated his engineering background with his legal background;
8. an engineer who went to law school to learn how to start his own start-up during the dotcom boom;
9. a former engineer who can't seem to pass the California Bar for the umpteenth time so is now trying the MFA thing;
10. spoiled brat who got tired of engineering, got tired of law, got tired of life;
11. someone who has an engineering degree, a law degree, and possibly other degrees that I haven't revealed.
12. someone who can't hold an engineering or legal job because of a paralyzing stroke;
13. a lazy loafer.

etc.

So many possibilities...

Woon said...

I woke up this morning thinking that I have to swing by Border's to buy a copy of the MLA Handbook. Then, I thought, my school will probably give me a free copy for being a TA.

kbtoys said...

I posted on the other wall by mistake soooo... has anyone on thisss wall received rejections from Brooklyn yet? And, though and because I have been waitlisted at two schools this year, chances I'll have to reapply are fairly high. I didn't really think about it at all this year but after seeing a few people mention study abroad options at some schools, I am going to look into that next time around. Does anyone know of these schools that offer study abroad opps? thankss!

whynotbecause said...

@ Jessa
Thanks for the input. Makes sense that it's just a generic grad school question... and good call, I never thought to just talk about my writing interests instead.


@ frankish
Congrats on FSU!

And a belated question- I think a whiiiiiiile ago you mentioned that your writing sample was newer/a bit rougher, but it went in the direction you wanted to go. Would you mind sharing your sample? I'm not pressed for FSU or anything (didn't apply there, although it looks like a great program). I'm just curious to see what that means for you. If you're willing, I'm at Ellen (dot) Scheuermann at the gmail.

Unknown said...

Wow, after reading some of the vitriolic posts about UNCG, I really have to say something:

Grow the fuck up, kids. You are not entitled to anything from these programs, and your assumption that what's happening at UNCG has anything to do with the level of respect that Jim Clark or anyone else there displays toward you is as self-centered as it is wrong.

Greensboro got a record number of applications this year, and as a well-regarded program that is usually able to cobble together some seriously impressive funding opportunities (largely thanks to Clark, who is a magician), they set out to try to create a class that reflected those record applications: one of the strongest they've ever fielded.

Which meant Jim Clark got in touch with a lot of people who got admitted early on in the process in an effort to make sure they knew UNCG was interested and in order to give them a little more info about the program so that people could start self-selecting whether Greensboro would be the best fit for them.

Then for a number of reasons (recession, bureaucracy, etc.) the program's funding started taking some serious licks. Anyone who knows Greensboro admissions knows they do indeed have a history of not being able to make funding offers until late in the game, but this year is probably one of the toughest (if not the toughest) for them thus far.

If they can find money for the admitted fiction writers this year, they'll end up with 17 folks in the program. A couple years ago they had 31. All due to funding issues that Jim Clark did not create. You try having his job right now.

I fully understand the disappointment people feel about having UNCG offers that did not pan out. Your frustration, however, should be directed at everyone EXCEPT the MFA program. This is not their fault.

Jim has been very good about keeping in touch with me for the most part, but as Terry noted on their blog, it just can't be done all the time. The important work for them right now is to find some money, any money, as quickly as possible, and to make sure they find as much as possible by the 15th. They're working hard to keep funding issues from gutting what is one of the finest MFA programs out there -- they shouldn't even be in this position, but they are, so try to exercise some understanding toward them and show a little class.

If you're waiting to hear if they're going to fund you, get in touch next week, right up against the deadline. Until then, just try to relax.

If you're waiting to hear if you'll get in, don't lose hope. It wouldn't surprise me if they lose some acceptances as they're sorting out their funding issues. I happen to know that a couple of the admitted fiction writers have strong offers from other schools.

I know it sucks to feel like there won't be any closure for a lot of us until April 15th. It was definitely hard for me to come to grips with. But to borrow a sports metaphor from Jim, the last couple of days before April 15th are to the MFA world what the last 60 seconds are to a basketball game. The outcome can change drastically.

Coughka said...

Dreux!

Jason R Jimenez said...

Yeah what the hell? DREUX!!

mj said...

i'm with dreux here.

inkli__11 said...

mj,
am i correct in remembering that you were on the indiana waiting list too? if so, have you heard anything from them yet?

Annieo said...

Woon, greatest list of possible careers ever! Love it.

Unknown said...

I wouldn't go to UNCG if they paid me. I guess that's irrelevant, since 1) they can't pay me and 2) I didn't apply there. But, I'd rather be a whiny baby than relax. Btw, did anyone see the end of the Lakers-Nuggets game last night? What a terrible, infuriating final possession by LA. Why would you not call a timeout and set up a play? That's four losses in six games. The Lakers are in total disarray and I blame Jim Clark.

Corey Haydu said...

I dropped off the blog after my TNS acceptance, but coming back for my final tally:

Accepted:
The New School (with merit scholarship! Am accepting this offer. yay!)
American
Queens University of Charlotte (low-res)
Fairfield (low-res)

Waitlisted:
University of Oregon (no final word yet, but I'll be taking myself off the list)

Rejected:
Iowa
PSU
Brooklyn
Toronto
UBC
Columbia
Sarah Lawrence
Brown
Arizona
UMass Amherst.


If anyone is going to the New School accepted students function on the 15th, let me know! coreyann at gmail dot com. Thanks for all the support everyone, and best of luck!!

Morgan said...

i just got into san diego state in poetry!! I'm probably still heading to NYU in the fall, but it's nice to have another option!!

Jamie said...

Dreux's back and taking out the trash!

I have to agree, btw. Jim Clark is obviously being dicked around big time by an administration that, guessing by the school's status as a public university in the south, probably just got their budget sliced and diced by a conservative state legislature.

My informal sense is that TAships and aid are down at many programs due to recessionary cutbacks. If you're lucky, your school has a good funding stream from a big endowment, and your program is administered in such a way within the school that your funding is predictable and reliable so you can plan accordingly. If not, then you're Jim Clark. It really is unfair to make him the whipping boy.

Woon said...

@Dreux - love the rant! I love all rants on the blog.

nattyish said...

@Dreux
The FOEs from UNCG are one thing. A little tone deaf by the department, but perhaps people have been whining too much about them. But Ena said that she got an actual acceptance by phone call, and was then told that actually, no, she wasn't. That seems to be where they step over the line into the deplorable.

@whynotbeacause
CatandGirl always makes me wish I was smart enough to get her allusions without resorting to wikipedia!

Woon said...

It's 12:11 PM. Going to the library to return Porter Shreve's "The Obituary Writer" and Patricia Henley's "The Secret of Cartwheels." Then run 4 miles. Lunch at Subway. $5 footlong.

Woon said...

re. MFA Directors

I sympathize with most of them. They're at the mercy of higher ups from the English Dept re. funding. Their hands are tied.

Austin said...

@ Nathaniel
Re: Ena and UNCG

Same thing happened to me.

nattyish said...

@Austin

Sorry to forget!

I think that the fact that this happened to multiple people is even worse. It would have been infinitely better to wait longer to notify, and put up with a few more applicants' complaints, than to misrepresent to people that they had been accepted. UNCG seems to have sent out notifications before they'd locked down their own funding situation because they were afraid of losing prime applicants, and were then forced to backpeddle. And that's what seems selfish and cruel.

Ena said...

@Dreux

Right: so you didn't read the posts at all...?

No one is talking/caring about their financial issues. We're talking about RETRACTING AN OFFER that was made. Which they only admitted to after we followed up on the acceptance a few days ago. Which IS totally the MFA's problem.

Jim Clark is a great guy and he has been very straight-forward about telling us to keep our other funded offers. He's known about our whole situation all along. I don't think he owes me or Austin an acceptance. But: he took it back! Further, he did so while saying "oh well, you had other offers, right?"

So that's the issue.

But hey, no problem--we're lucky to have other funded offers so we don't need UNCG's common courtesy. Whining over, and all that.

@Everyone else:
How are there only 6 days left?

Andrea said...

Holy Bejesus, guys.

Today is my birthday. Yesterday I said jokingly to my boyfriend, "Wouldn't it be awesome if Oregon State called to let me know I made it off the waitlist tomorrow? It'd be the best birthday present ever!" Ha ha, yeah right.

WELL, it just happened! I cried. This is so wonderful, for so many reasons I won't bore you with. I'll be accepting officially in the next few days once I get my head on straight.

Amazing things can still happen! Don't lose hope, even with 6 days left!

Also, Dreux is back. What a great day.

Julia said...

@ Ena

Wait, UNCG took back your acceptance, too? I thought you had received a formal letter from the graduate school? Sorry if this is making you repeat something you said earlier, but I'm confused...

@ DigAPony

Congratulations! That might be the best eleventh hour story I've heard yet!

Emily said...

best advice i ever got on choosing programs - doesn't matter where you go, but how you go. decide and don't look back.

it's the disease of our times - we always think we should be able to "know" before making big decisions - but for the important stuff, that is, how it will change our lives, we just have to live to find out.

Jasmine Sawers said...

Yes! Congrats, DigAPony!

Andrea said...

Thank you Julia!

Morgan said...

That is absolutely awesome, DigAPony! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

Andrea said...

And Jasmine!

Andrea said...

And thank you Morgan! I'm going a little nuts!

Time to bake a cake.

phillywriter said...

@DigAPony

Congrats and happy birthday! I'm so happy for you.

@inkli (and mj)

Still waiting on that Indiana waitlist. Please post if you hear (or have heard) news! Going a bit crazy over here.

@Jamie

I actually attended that Lydia Davis/Jonathan Lethem reading (it was here in Philly). Liked them both.

Courtney said...

@DigAPony

Yesssss! Best birthday present ever! Congrats!!!

-nonfiction Courtney

Jen said...

@ Dreux,

We can not like how an individual, group, or institution treats us even though we can provide lots of good reasons for the treatment. The two are absolutely not mutually exclusive.

And, not sure it's ever cool to tell people to "grow up."

tough said...

@ inkli__11 and phillywriter

Hi. Just to let you know, I got an offer from Indiana University (Fiction) via email on Monday morning and sent my formal acceptance by the afternoon. It was preceded by a "you're at the top of our list" email on Friday.

I think the spot I have was given up by gancho. It seemed to be right before Dolores Humbert posted her intentions.

I hope this information is helpful to you in some small way. I know how you feel; that was me from the morning the first IU acceptances were posted until just this week.

Jamie said...

@phillywriter

Hope you get off that list, brother/sister/other!

I saw Lydia Davis lecture recently in NYC. In addition to being very talented, she is very learned.

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